That's a shame. I certainly wouldn't do any business with you now, because you don't support the old equipment. You bought the name, but you're not using it responsibly. I would have to assume that history will repeat itself, and anything ATS sells will be unsupported in a few years.
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1992 F250 XLT 4x4 Super Cab 7.3 IDI E40D 3.55 ATS 088 4"R.C 360k
1982 MBZ 300SD W126 California model w/Sunroof, no EGR
I sure hope there's a source for those going forward...
as far as I know the 088 uses the factory style cdr grommet for the drain. And im looking for a volume source on them , everyone is needing them all of a sudden.
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91 F350 crew cab 4x4 7.3 ats and intercooled with cut down 2000 ps cooler, bigger turbo comp,head studs, torque cam, coated rockers , balanced. very good power.
made 218hp/461tq on a mustang dyno lasst dec with 80k on the rebuild
pyro,boost and all stock guages ignored with mechanical real ones
Fugitive sandrail. type 4 2840 turbo fi, lots of fun
That's a shame. I certainly wouldn't do any business with you now, because you don't support the old equipment. You bought the name, but you're not using it responsibly. I would have to assume that history will repeat itself, and anything ATS sells will be unsupported in a few years.
I'm sorry you feel this way, but lets look at this with an open mind for a second...
A few years? We are talking about a 30yr old platform. Not a few years old. The IDI is dead platform in the big market world. People will try to widdle you down on a $25 grommet let alone a $2500 turbo charger. That is why no company supports it any longer.
Bottom line, business is meant to make money. There is no money in IDI parts, and that is coming from me, who has put more time and effort into this than just about anyone else. It is nothing personal, if people were interested in purchasing parts, the parts would be there... but they are not.
Responsibly? I could of let the parts sit and rot, or throw them away. Instead I gave someone who has a passion for working on these have the opportunity to purchase it for pennies on the dollar so that the guys who want little parts here and there could purchase them.
I'm sorry you feel this way, but lets look at this with an open mind for a second...
A few years? We are talking about a 30yr old platform. Not a few years old. The IDI is dead platform in the big market world. People will try to widdle you down on a $25 grommet let alone a $2500 turbo charger. That is why no company supports it any longer.
Bottom line, business is meant to make money. There is no money in IDI parts, and that is coming from me, who has put more time and effort into this than just about anyone else. It is nothing personal, if people were interested in purchasing parts, the parts would be there... but they are not.
Responsibly? I could of let the parts sit and rot, or throw them away. Instead I gave someone who has a passion for working on these have the opportunity to purchase it for pennies on the dollar so that the guys who want little parts here and there could purchase them.
Thats exactly right Justin... The IDI suppliers out there now, especially the ones that deal in any sort of performance, are doing it because they enjoy the platform, not because its a cash cow... Its no longer profitable for a company like ATS to supply the parts to us, so we are left with the NOS stuff... At least NMB2 has the sense enough not to toss it in the dumpster, he is helping us by supplying it to us... Eventually the IDI will be a thing of the past, and only a small niches of enthuiasts will be around... We wont have pre-built turbo kits to chose from, only those willing to build something for themselves... Be thankful while it lasts..
Otherwise... If you are alluding to the recent crap thats been spread about ATS... You are probably mis-informed... And your anger is misplaced, because the truth is pretty shady...
All I know is anybody that is into this platform, should appreciate any supplier that is in the market for these things, whether that be Hypermax, Banks, Conestoga (Moose products), Typ4, Or R&D IDI performance... They are all out to make the IDI world a better place...
A few years? We are talking about a 30yr old platform. Not a few years old. The IDI is dead platform in the big market world. People will try to widdle you down on a $25 grommet let alone a $2500 turbo charger. That is why no company supports it any longer.
Unfortunately, you are misinformed at best and a liar at worst. Banks still offers parts for and even help with their IDI turbo kits. They might have a lot of flaws, but they understand customer service.
As long as my truck is still on the road, I will continue to need parts for it. And as long as it has an ATS turbo kit on it, I will need parts for that turbo kit. And if it were a Banks turbo kit, they would offer me parts for this old turbo kit. Consequently, I have learned an important lesson. If I plan to throw a truck away in 50,000 miles, I might consider an ATS turbo kit. If I plan to keep a truck, and therefore will need parts for it for years, then I won't.
Since I don't buy vehicles to throw them away, I would have to be an idiot to buy an ATS turbo kit at this point, given that it is proven that you won't support it when it gets old, because I plan to live more than 30 more years, and I don't like to waste money. I guess if I were 70, it would be OK to buy an ATS turbo kit, since by the time you abandon it and refuse to provide support, I'll probably be dead.
Finally, nobody is out to make the world a better place by selling turbo kits. They're out to make money. If the goal were to make the world a better place, they'd give out fabrication instructions for making one's own turbo kit.
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1992 F250 XLT 4x4 Super Cab 7.3 IDI E40D 3.55 ATS 088 4"R.C 360k
1982 MBZ 300SD W126 California model w/Sunroof, no EGR
Unfortunately, you are misinformed at best and a liar at worst. Banks still offers parts for and even help with their IDI turbo kits. They might have a lot of flaws, but they understand customer service.
Actually they sell NOS parts. They no longer manufacture the kits. Once they are gone, they are gone.
As long as my truck is still on the road, I will continue to need parts for it. And as long as it has an ATS turbo kit on it, I will need parts for that turbo kit. And if it were a Banks turbo kit, they would offer me parts for this old turbo kit. Consequently, I have learned an important lesson. If I plan to throw a truck away in 50,000 miles, I might consider an ATS turbo kit. If I plan to keep a truck, and therefore will need parts for it for years, then I won't.
Since I don't buy vehicles to throw them away, I would have to be an idiot to buy an ATS turbo kit at this point, given that it is proven that you won't support it when it gets old, because I plan to live more than 30 more years, and I don't like to waste money. I guess if I were 70, it would be OK to buy an ATS turbo kit, since by the time you abandon it and refuse to provide support, I'll probably be dead.
Finally, nobody is out to make the world a better place by selling turbo kits. They're out to make money. If the goal were to make the world a better place, they'd give out fabrication instructions for making one's own turbo kit.
I have tried explaining this but you clearly have it all figured out.
For anyone else wondering why we don't offer small parts for these kits its because we don't have them. When ATS (advanced turbo systems) went out of business a lot of their suppliers went with them. They are not a manufacturer, they got parts from other companies, a lot which were proprietary and put the kits together to offer.
For us to recreate these parts would cost us $100,000+ in start ups. We would never make the money back. I'm sorry that your 24yr old turbo system is left without certain parts but that is the way it is. We are trying to recreate the seal kits to offer, but I'm not sure where we are with that. We have to make moldings, ect.
If you want to boycott ATS, you should boycott Ford too. Last time I was at the dealership trying to find parts for my OBS, and my IDI 90% of parts were discontinued and only NOS spread thinly throughout the country.
Furthermore, we did exactly as banks is currently doing. Supporting the platform with what we have left, except I had one customer that wanted to buy it all.
Any and all parts I had, Type4 now has and I'm sure he is happy to help you out.
Finally, nobody is out to make the world a better place by selling turbo kits. They're out to make money. If the goal were to make the world a better place, they'd give out fabrication instructions for making one's own turbo kit.
Solely...No, there isnt anybody out there selling parts just make the IDI world a better place, However, if you think there is significant money to be made in the IDI world, you are sadly mistaken, and if there is any proof of that, its the fact that the big companies dont produce the parts anymore... However, there are a few companies out there, where the money being made off the parts is secondary to the love of the platform, and its pretty obvious when you look at what sort of info the owners of those companies put forth on a daily basis.
As far as fabrication "instructions" go, if you need instructions to make your own turbo kit, its out of your league anyway... The closest thing that comes to instructions is forum threads, and there are plenty of builds out there to give any DIY'r the amount of info he needs to build his own stuff... For the rest, as said above, these few companies exist to help those guys out.
A little broader, more open minded look at things might help you realize that...
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