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Old 04-06-2008, 09:37 PM   #1 (permalink)
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what is the bell housing bolt pattern ? same as a 460 once the 7.3 has the adaptor

I am looking at the non turbo ford diesel idi 6.9 or 7.3 an most are 2wd i have a 4wd frame an everything. But its a 460 engine. I was wondering if the bolt patterns on the bell housing is the same or not ? 460 or 7.5 an the 7.3 or 6.9 in a ford truck with the c6 or aod or e4od or the 5 spd. are they ?
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nope, the diesels are different
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They are definately different. They look very similar, but the differences are just enough to make it not work, specifically dowel pin location, and bolt sizes.
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and you have to ask the question--why in h did ford do this---as they already had the 460 pattern???? another engunears idea!!!!!!!!!
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Ford did this because they bought the diesel from IH. It was already existing, they didn't design it. It would have cost a lot to tool a new block to make the bellhousing the same.

The first all new block was for the 6.0L. That one has the same pattern as the V10 and 5.4L, and so does the 6.4L.
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Thanks for that info mark. Off topic but what is the difference in the torqshift for gas and diesel
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I don't know that there is a difference in the new torqueshift 6sp auto....except that the auto is all that is offered...that makes me furious beyond all comprehension that a work truck that requires the nuances of a stick, can't even be special ordered in a manual.
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just a point to make but ford makes the adaptor for the engine to trans that bolts to the motor so why not just make that fit the 460 too
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what is the difference in the torqshift for gas and diesel
In the five speed TorqShift there are some very minor internal differences between the V10 and the diesel. The 5.4L trans has one less clutch plate in a couple of the clutches.

I don't know about the six speed TorqShift. I was gone by then.
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Ford did this because they bought the diesel from IH. It was already existing, they didn't design it. It would have cost a lot to tool a new block to make the bellhousing the same.
Can you swap the bell housing to anything?
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The first all new block was for the 6.0L..
And what a success that was.
Sorry, Mark, I know you worked for Ford, but I couldn't help that one.

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Can you swap the bell housing to anything?
The only bellhousings that are non-integral are on the T-19, not sure if the input shaft is the same for 460 vs diesel, but I think so. At the same time, the 460 would have a T-18, which may not work as well for the diesel with only three synchro gears.
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And what a success that was.
Sorry, Mark, I know you worked for Ford, but I couldn't help that one.
I agree. I didn't work for International, and they designed that engine, block and all.
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Oh, I thought that meant Ford designed it, well good then, for once I didn't offend anyone for the sake of humor.

Wait, dose anyone work for International.
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do keep in mind though, the 6.0 and 6.4 were made by international at the request of ford...international trucks kept the 7.3 up until two years ago. and they went to 7.5.
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My My that does seem suspicious dosen't it.
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