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Old 02-21-2006, 09:47 PM   #1 (permalink)
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1983 6.9 diesel

Ok, I replaced my starter and my I.P. I BLED THE FUEL LINES!
And my truck STILL will not start. I DON'T KNOW WHY?!??!?!?!

before you ask question read this.

-BOTH BATTS ARE BRAND NEW AND CHARGED FULLY
-TERMINALS ARE BRAND NEW
-THE COMPLETE GLOWPLUG SYSTEM IS NEW AND IS WORKING
-ALL THE ELECTRICAL SYSTEM IS WORKING
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Re: 1983 6.9 diesel

Are you getting clear fuel out of each and every injector line?

Will the engine start if warmed with the block heater?

Are you holding the accelerator to the floor when trying to start? (to bleed out any remaining air)

Will the engine start on propane? (just stick a torch in the intake, it works!)

What were the original circumstances of the truck not starting? Did it die while running, or did it just not start one morning?
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Re: 1983 6.9 diesel

1)yes

2)no

3)yes

4)no

5)long-story-short.... Replaced Alternator, then voltage regulator went out causing everything in the electrical system to be fried. Replaced everything in the electrical system (EVERY THING WORKS NOW).-still no start-found out the shut-off solenoid went out. So I replaced the IP. Stater went out when bleedinf fuel lines, so I replaced the stater.

Don't tell me it a fuse, relay, or fusable link. ALL of them have been replaced. AND TESTED!!!!!!!!!


It also WILL NOT start on starting fluid or WD40.

I was driving down the highway AT NIGHT when the voltage regulator went out- causing every light to go out. I took the next exit, 800 feet away, and the engine died on the off ramp. NEVER TO START AGAIN.




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Re: 1983 6.9 diesel

on these trucks you can run a single wire from the battery to the Ip for power if your worried bout the wiring on the truck..i myself use WD40 or silicon spray spray it in intake while turning it over should fire right up..
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Re: 1983 6.9 diesel

[ QUOTE ]
1)yes

2)no

3)yes

4)no

5)long-story-short.... Replaced Alternator, then voltage regulator went out causing everything in the electrical system to be fried. Replaced everything in the electrical system (EVERY THING WORKS NOW).-still no start-found out the shut-off solenoid went out. So I replaced the IP. Stater went out when bleedinf fuel lines, so I replaced the stater.

Don't tell me it a fuse, relay, or fusable link. ALL of them have been replaced. AND TESTED!!!!!!!!!


It also WILL NOT start on starting fluid or WD40.

I was driving down the highway AT NIGHT when the voltage regulator went out- causing every light to go out. I took the next exit, 800 feet away, and the engine died on the off ramp. NEVER TO START AGAIN.




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not to be be rude,but please read the bold print.

I GET A LOT OF THE SAME QUESTIONS OVER AND OVER AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: 1983 6.9 diesel

OK MercuryLs

Explain to us how you replaced the IP........hope you did not follow the instructions in the Haynes Diesel engine repair manual IE remove the timing gear tower and IP together.............please say no. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif[/img]
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Re: 1983 6.9 diesel

Man oh man, if it won't start on ether I think you have to start looking at mechanical problems. I think a compression test is in order.

Yea, I know an electrical meltdown started it all.... But we need to isolate the 3 elements of engine combustion, i.e. Compression, Ignition and Fuel.

Another thought, I think that if the injectors are firing, but firing at the wrong time, that might keep the engine from starting on ether. Maybe disconnect the FSS so the injectors don't fire, then try an "alternate fuel" again....
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I'm with Pete. Back up and tell us the whole story. Also, consider jacking the back end of the truck up, high enough that the engine is actually tilted forward. This will really help get the air out of the lines.
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OK MercuryLs

Explain to us how you replaced the IP........hope you did not follow the instructions in the Haynes Diesel engine repair manual IE remove the timing gear tower and IP together.............please say no. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif[/img]

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In answer to that, no.

Ok, I was playing w/ the truck again today and this is what it sounds like when it trying to start....
It sounds like a 6.9 trying to start w/ no starting fluid or glowplugs. Like it wants to start, but never does.
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Re: 1983 6.9 diesel

from what your stating,this thing should run like a raped ape,maybe its time to backtrack on a few items,Not saying you did,but are you sure you put the lines on right on the back of the pump,and are you for sure getting power to the pump,<it wil not start on no fluids if the pump isnt powered up,if all this checks out ok,maybe you need to get that new pump checked out from where you bought it,you did all that can be done<asuming it ran great before the electircal problems>i would revert back to that new pump and get it checked out..
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Re: 1983 6.9 diesel

If your not getting any smoke out of the tailpipe while cranking, you are missing compression, or fuel, or both.
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Re: 1983 6.9 diesel

Well...I'm wondering if there's any way you made it jump timing on the gear. If you even loosened the timing gear tower the gear timing could be off. If you did not line up the timing marks the static timing MAY be far enough off to cause no start. What I don't understand is if it won't start on starting fluids. Good luck,
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Well...I'm wondering if there's any way you made it jump timing on the gear. If you even loosened the timing gear tower the gear timing could be off. If you did not line up the timing marks the static timing MAY be far enough off to cause no start. What I don't understand is if it won't start on starting fluids. Good luck,
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What if the timing was severely advanced? I think the fuel might cool down the combustion chamber enough that ether wouldn't ignite. Maybe.
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Re: 1983 6.9 diesel

Hey i'be been reading your post and it interested me. Have you checked the eletrical wire going to the IP. If you disconect that wire the engine will cut off and will not run. So if your not getting any power to it then you can try to start it all you want. Its not goin to run.
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I could be mistaken, but I think that ether or other starting aids will ignite even without the FSS being connected. But as soon as it burns, it will die in a hurry. The FSS only controls a nopramlly operating IPs fuel supply. From hard personal experience, if you get into a runaway condition, even removing the wire will not stop the engine. Think about it...for a diesel to run you need
1) combustible fuel 2) air 3) compression.... you have all of tehse with starting fluid and the FSS wire disconnected, if only momentarily until teh fuel runs out. I still suspect the timing myself...it is so darn easy to mess up teh timing when that pump is off. Ithas to be either that or a mechanical problem(low compression) or some sort of air obstruction, but I can't think of something obstructive enough to stop that monster from at least running somewhat.
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