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Old 07-31-2008, 12:31 PM   #1 (permalink)
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smelled chicken and rice - burnt rubber - then shut down. now won't start

Title pretty much says it all.

87 F250.

I was on my way home, smelled chicken and rice then burnt rubber, then the truck just shut off. no weird sounds or anything....tried to crank and just get jud-jud-jud-jud-jud but won't turn over.

little background info - the engine was supposedly rebuilt 40,000 miles ago and the tranny was def rebuilt 3,000 miles ago.

I've only had it a month or so...just changed the fuel filter and put on a new starter (old one was apparently hanging by one bolt and had one crank to many like that)...

can't think of anything else that may help...

I thought maybe a belt of some sort broke but there appear to be no naked pulleys.

thank you so much for your help
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Old 07-31-2008, 01:23 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Have you checked your wiring on the engine? Did you pinpoint location of the smell?
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Old 07-31-2008, 02:07 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Make sure you are getting power at the FSS (fuel shut-off solenoid) both when you turn the key on and during cranking. Also check to see if any other circuits are dead. Sounds like you cooked something.
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Old 07-31-2008, 02:37 PM   #4 (permalink)
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I couldn't pinpoint a location for the smell...

i'm going to do some searches right now to try and find out where the fuel shut-off solenoid is.

thank you so much!
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found the FSS...

If I disconnect and then reconnect a connection on the FSS while the ignition key is turned on, should I hear the FSS click or engage at all?

b/c I dont...

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found the FSS...

If I disconnect and then reconnect a connection on the FSS while the ignition key is turned on, should I hear the FSS click or engage at all?

b/c I dont...

thanks
Yes you should. To be sure, it is the one to the rear on the drivers side of the IP. It will "click" ...time to start backtracing the wire if you don't have 12V at the connection.
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Welcome to the forum UG! Glad to see you made the trip here! Hope you track down your electrical problem. One way you could easily check to see if that is the only problem stopping the engine from running would be to hook the terminal the red wire goes to up to the battery and try starting it. If it fires up then you know for sure its an electrical issue.
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Yes you should. To be sure, it is the one to the rear on the drivers side of the IP. It will "click" ...time to start backtracing the wire if you don't have 12V at the connection.
The FSS is the front (lg) spade connector on the drivers side (USA) of the IP, the timing advance is the (sm) rear connector ..... see my photo link. Your truck should have the Solid State GP system so ensure the schematics you search for wiring info reflect that system.
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The FSS is the front (lg) spade connector on the drivers side (USA) of the IP, the timing advance is the (sm) rear connector ..... see my photo link.
Thanks for the correction. I was looking at your photo and then running outside to the driveway and trying it. I must have been standing on my head when I looked at the picture, Or I'm dyslexic (sp), or MOST PROBABLY I am getting old and suffering from short term CRS
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Thank you all! I'm really glad that I found this forum!

So I used a jumper wire to engage the FSS and I could hear it click, but it still wouldn't crank....

any idea what to look for next?

It seems weird that the FSS wasn't engaging - but that apparently isn't the problem?

my glow plug, or "wait to start" light isn't coming on at all when I turn the key....the guy that I bought it from had new gp's put in and a new gp relay...

thank you!
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Thank you all! I'm really glad that I found this forum!

So I used a jumper wire to engage the FSS and I could hear it click, but it still wouldn't crank....
Do you mean the engine won't turn over or it does and just doesn't start?
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it goes "jud-jud-jud-jud-jud"

but shows no sign of actually cranking...
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If your glow plugs are not turning on it will make it hard to start. You could try pluging in the block heater for awhile.
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i think i found the culprit!

I followed the wires back and found a blown fuse. It looks like someone hacked in and put a couple of fuses....

when I put the new fuse in the glow plug light came on and I could here the fss engage...

but now my batteries are dead and i cant get it to do a dang thing.

Got it on the charger, hopefully we'll be good in a while.

Thanks a lot for all the help!
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Fuses??? I wonder why someone did that.....

I don't have a schematic of the wiring, but that doesn't sound right at all...

Depending on the type of fuses (the old style glass or blade), I'd put in a CB instead. If the fuse is the blade type, getting a CB to fit the holder is no issue (I did that w/ my tail/park lights on my pickup).

But the thing that bothers me is, what caused the fuse to blow???
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