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Old 07-26-2006, 07:34 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Can Gooseneck & 5th wheel hitches co-exist?

Last night I read tons of posts on 5th wheel hitches, 5th wheel convertors, 46" vs 49" etc etc but didn't see any posts with my situation.

I have a Draw Tite remove-a-ball gooseneck hitch installed for my 24' gooseneck flatbed to haul tractor etc. Now we are buying a 30' Wildcat 5th wheel that comes with a 15.5k Shelton 4-way (rocking) 5th wheel hitch. The hitch rails are about $125 so I figured the cheapest way to do this is install the rails instead of buying a gooseneck convertor ($350-$500).

I'd like to leave the Draw-Tite gooseneck and the Firestone Air-bags in place. Has anybody seen this or done this before or am I going to have to loose the gooseneck hitch and buy a gooseneck plate?

Another concern I have is shear number of holes in the frame rails - I already have holes from the Draw-tite, then 4 more (although small) holes from the air-bags and now more holes for the 5th wheel rails.

Truck is 1999.5 F-250 SB SRW.

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Re: Can Gooseneck & 5th wheel hitches co-exist?

<font color="green"> I am not familiar with your set-up; but, I see many different trucks, every day, and quite a few of them have a gooseneck ball peeking up under a fifth-wheel mechanism.

The fifth-wheel has to be removed, before the gooseneck can be used.

With a little engineering/welding, you can probably re-design your fifth-wheel set-up to compliment your existing gooseneck. </font>
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Old 07-26-2006, 08:09 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Re: Can Gooseneck & 5th wheel hitches co-exist?

I have coexisting gooseneck and fifth wheel hitches. I have an RBW Lil Rocker fifth wheel hitch with their bed rails. The rails have two sets of slots with the fifth wheel using the outer set. I have a thick plate with a gooseneck ball welded to it that has ears welded to underside of it to fit the inner set of rail slots. I can have either the goose ball plate or the fifth wheel hitch mounted or can have both at same time. With both, the ball is under the fifth wheel hitch and clears the underside of it by several inches. Of course to use the ball, the fiver hitch must be removed from over the top of it, but the ball can stay if you are towing a fifth wheel. The ball plate pins to the rails just as the fiver hitch does. The ball plate is custom made, but it is simple welding that can be done by any good welder.
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Re: Can Gooseneck & 5th wheel hitches co-exist?

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<font color="green"> I am not familiar with your set-up; but, I see many different trucks, every day, and quite a few of them have a gooseneck ball peeking up under a fifth-wheel mechanism.

The fifth-wheel has to be removed, before the gooseneck can be used.

With a little engineering/welding, you can probably re-design your fifth-wheel set-up to compliment your existing gooseneck. </font>

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That's exactly what I had to do and it works well.

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Re: Can Gooseneck & 5th wheel hitches co-exist?

I was hoping to keep the existing Draw-Tite Gooseneck and add the 5th wheel hitch 'around' it and have both independently mounted to the truck frame.

I'm pretty sure the 5th wheel rail closest to the rear bumper will be clear of the gooseneck hardware, just not sure about the 5th wheel rail closest to the cab - if it will need to be mounted in the same spot as the gooseneck is.
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Re: Can Gooseneck & 5th wheel hitches co-exist?

If the Shelton bedrail kit will not bolt in without removing the gooseneck hitch, then get rid of the current gooseneck hitch. Install the Shelton bedrail kit that will fit your Shelton 5er hitch. Then buy the Shelton Gooseneck hitch that will use the same bedrails as the 5er hitch. Click here.

Yep, it will cost you a bit over $200 to have your cake and eat it too. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

BTW, both Draw-Tite and Reese make the same type of gooseneck hitch that will plug into the 5er bedrails. But that's not the Draw-Tite gooseneck hitch you have. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img]
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Re: Can Gooseneck & 5th wheel hitches co-exist?

The Reese Signature Series uses what they call a Power Puck" system which allows you to use both a gooseneck and fifth-wheel head with the same rails (under the truck). The gooseneck unit is @ $500, the fifth-wheel is @ $750 (the rail system is around $250 I think).. Just had one installed for the fifth wheel, really nice and leaves the bed open when the hitch is removed.
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Re: Can Gooseneck & 5th wheel hitches co-exist?

I have the flip over ball type gooseneck hitch and the fiver hitch. I also have airbags. I don't remember anything special that I had to do to mount everything. The only thing is like stated above. I have to remove my fiver hitch to use my gooseneck hitch. I installed all of this before I discovered hitches like Smokey is talking about. But anyway I needed a slider fiver since I have a short bed.
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Re: Can Gooseneck & 5th wheel hitches co-exist?

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Last night I read tons of posts on 5th wheel hitches, 5th wheel convertors, 46" vs 49" etc etc but didn't see any posts with my situation.

I have a Draw Tite remove-a-ball gooseneck hitch installed for my 24' gooseneck flatbed to haul tractor etc. Now we are buying a 30' Wildcat 5th wheel that comes with a 15.5k Shelton 4-way (rocking) 5th wheel hitch. The hitch rails are about $125 so I figured the cheapest way to do this is install the rails instead of buying a gooseneck convertor ($350-$500).

I'd like to leave the Draw-Tite gooseneck and the Firestone Air-bags in place. Has anybody seen this or done this before or am I going to have to loose the gooseneck hitch and buy a gooseneck plate?

Another concern I have is shear number of holes in the frame rails - I already have holes from the Draw-tite, then 4 more (although small) holes from the air-bags and now more holes for the 5th wheel rails.

Truck is 1999.5 F-250 SB SRW.

Thanks,

Jeff

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Do you have the draw tite rail system, if so the fifthwheel will fit in it,
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