I want to haul an old truck out west to have a very interested buyer look at it. If i own both trucks and rent the trailer to haul it do i need anything in the way of permits to get it out there? It would be over 10,000 gvw.
Nope, they wont mess with you. And it is not 10K GVW anyway, it is 26k truck and trailer with load. In any case they shouldnt mess with you at all, no scales or anything. Just drive away! If stopped tell them, you own both trucks.
__________________
Jim T.*48* SLAPS Co-Founder, 30.8 yrs RETIRED UAW 6/01/06, Now a full time Technician in the MOANG 12/10/07 My pics! and my New'03 Dually pics!, Charcoal Grey, Black and Grey interior, Black leather seats, Van Turbo/ATS ported housing/WW, Quad "A" pillar pod with Carbon Fiber series AUTO METER Gauges, FUMOTO Valve. BTS BUBBA" /TS 4pos chip, 4" Turbo back straight pipe/stainless 5" tip 131st F/W St.Louis MoAirNatlGuard We're losing the F-15s. BUT BEING HANDED THE KEYS TO THE B-2 BOMBERS at WHITMAN AFB, Near Kansas City, MO.!! We are Lindburghs OWN! Suffering from *PMS,, "Powerstroke mod syndrome"
No, you are fine. The only time the 10000+ comes into play is if you are in interstate commerce. If you had a car dealership, and were transporting a car to sell for your business, then you would fall under most of the commercial regulations, with the exception of the CDL. If you are 26000+ combined provided the trailer is 10000+ and you were in commerce, then you would need a CDL.
Well you are all wrong according to a Mississippi DOT officer.
If he is trailering that truck and is going to make $$$ by selling it, he is doing interstate commerce which means he "should" have a US DOT # on the side of the truck. But I would just load it up and take it to its new owner.
I got pulled over in MS and he asked me who I was pulling for.... This was a DOT cop that pulled me over. I have my F550 pulling a 24' enclosed car trailer when he pulled me over. Nothing happened, we just talked for about 1/2 hour and then he let me go. Also, my trailer was empty and he did ask what I was hauling and I told nothing now, its empty and he never looked.
It is only considered interstate commerce IF he is a licensed car dealer. Since he is selling the truck as an individual to another individual it does not fall under the rules of the FMCA.
Just load it up and go.
__________________
2006 F550 Lariat CC 4x4 w/ Classy Chassis Conversion
Dually bed (done the right way)
Link Mfg air suspension
Roll-N-Lock tonneau
For instance, if you have a f-650 with a 25,999 GVW, you can tow a small trailer under 10,000 GVW even though the total exceeds 26,000 without a CDL. However, with a small truck towing a large trailer (12,000 GVW truck and 24,000 GVW trailer) a CDL is needed even though it's within a pound of the F-650 combo.
All well and good, but remember, the FMCSA rules now include GCWR, (Gross COMBINED Weight Rating..) Which means that any commrcial vehicle with a GCWR over 10K needs to have USDOT #'s if used in commerce. Now, you have to be a business to be commercial, so if you aren't using your [censored] in business, don't worry about it....
NOT according to the DOT cop in Mississippi. It doesn't matter if he is a car dealer or not. If he is crossing state lines and is making money selling the truck then it is interstate commerce. I told the cop that it was my personal vehicle that I was selling to another person in MS and that I don't have a business doing that, I just collect cars and here and there I sell one to buy another one. And he said that I would need DOT #'s to haul interstate if I am making money doing it... I mean I don't agree with it at all but that is what he said. If it is your personal car that you still own and you are hauling it to the new owner it shouldn't matter, but that isn't what that DOT cop thought and he has been a DOT cop for almost 30 years he told me.
If the total GVW is greater then 26,000 lbs then you must have a CDL unless it is a RV. You have to add the GVW of the truck and trailer together to get the total GVW for what you are pulling.
[ QUOTE ]
If the total GVW is greater then 26,000 lbs then you must have a CDL unless it is a RV.
[/ QUOTE ] You're combining two different things. CDL needs, and DOT # needs. That statement would be correct for CDL liscense needs. And if you are not a commercial business, than they cannot ticket you for not having DOT #'s. Unless the guy is "paying" you to haul the vehicle out there. (or whatever your hauling) Now, if you are hauling stuff around the country, and charging people for it, than that is something different. But, there is no way for them to get on you about hauling the car thing. Also, the DOT law states "for businesses operating in ..... commerce". You are not a business. You are doing personal things, and you are not for hire. Therefore, not falling under the DOT guidelines with respect to the need for USDOT #'s. My truck is registered commercial, to my business, so I canot get around it no matter what.
[ QUOTE ]
You have to add the GVW of the truck and trailer together to get the total GVW for what you are pulling.
[/ QUOTE ] That is precisely what GCWR is. The Gross Combined Weight of the propelled vehicle, and the "vehicle" in tow. Which, for my vintage truck, is no more than 20,000#. So, no CDL needed. Why would you need to get DOT #'s without a legal business name? Every rule that I have read states "businesses operating......" You are not a business!!!!! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shrug.gif[/img]
I think you guys need to think about this question a tad bit more.
If someone asks me if I have fuel oil or cooking oil stored on my property, what do I say? I have cooking oil stored as there's no regulations for storing cooking oil but there's tons of regulations for storing fuel oil.
Same apply's to the original question, There's all kinds of rules if your transporting for selling a truck, but there's very few rules to follow if your going to a collector show and just happen to sell the truck to another collector.
The FedDOT rules apply if your on a Interstate or with-in 15miles of the Interstate on side roads that say your home DOT rules apply while traveling thru that state, that is if your "commerical".
The way I look at it, if DOT is pulling me over, I best answer my questions correct or someone going to be in trouble as DOT is going to make a point for some reason.
I've never had DOT bother me for anything, but there's always a first time [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif[/img]
__________________
T_Bone
02 F350, 4X6, Crew, DRW, LWB, PSD, 6spd, 3:73, Island Blue, Stock, AEB2, Phoenix Az
Buy UNION work UNION. It pays off in the long run Define Union: A labor Union is nothing more than united workers with a common goal for better working conditions.
We all are in some sort of labor Union, some are just larger than others with better working conditions!
Precisely. Your not selling the car to anyone. Your taking it to your cousin's house to put it in storage..... [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/phoney.gif[/img]
[ QUOTE ]
Precisely. Your not selling the car to anyone. Your taking it to your cousin's house to put it in storage..... [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/phoney.gif[/img]
[/ QUOTE ]
Can't argue with that. Sometimes you have to know what will "sell" in the situation. A preplanned response can be useful.
Linear Mode
