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Old 08-01-2005, 12:02 PM   #1 (permalink)
 
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Electric over Hydrolic Brakes & ITBC

I can not seem to locate solid info as to if the new Integrated Trailer Brake Controller will or will not work with Electric Over Hydrolic Brakes.

Any solid info would be greatly appreciated.

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Re: Electric over Hydrolic Brakes & ITBC

Well Ford says it does not work but Dexter has a new pump/actuator that is compatible. Guess it depends on your hardware.
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Re: Electric over Hydrolic Brakes & ITBC

ford says yes/sort of for 2006
trailer life said yes
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Re: Electric over Hydrolic Brakes & ITBC

Well, we ended up just hooking up the trailer up to my truck since I already have the gooseneck hitch in it and tried it out. It worked perfect !!
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Re: Electric over Hydrolic Brakes & ITBC

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ford says yes/sort of for 2006
trailer life said yes
isnt life grand

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A wise old man once told me it is not will it work or wont it work. but how do you get it to work with what you have.
As stated before electric over hydrolic needs a battery source close to the activator. If you put a 5 amp battery and use it for 6 mps then the last time you aint got no amps.trailer dont work.Brake controllers work about the same power in, brake activation in, ground and brake activation out. have nanual brake activation little lever on controller and a auto, when you hit the brake pedal.Big wire the longer the run the biger the wire needs to be. Trailer Brake activator some use motors to drive some use pumps,Master brake uses a motor to drive a piston into a master cylinder, 1600 psi for disk and 1000 for drum.Dexter uses a pump, 1600 psi for disk and 1000 for drum.
To hook up you have wire for 12 goes to a battery battery is charged off truck. groud goes to ground prefered to battery ground. the battery on the trailer and the truck ground in the pig tail.Then you have a brake activation wire that is the blue wire coming out of the brake cotroller. simple.Then you have one more wire that is the brakaway wire from the battery. sends 12volt to the unit and locks the trailer brakes. If all theses are present then the trailer brakes should work, depending on the controller in the truck and the amount of brake pads you have. Cheap dont mean good in the controller buisness.
A friend has a 2005 F-350 dully Pulles my 40 foot gooseneck trailer, electric over hydrolic trailer with disk brakes and it works great as ling as he is over 15 mph when braking starts.
Whith this said cant aint and wont has not ever done any thing. If you are taking it to a shop and they say it cant be fixed it is time to go somewhere else. If the mechanic dont know how it works go tosome one that does.I have yet to see a trailer that cant be fixed.
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Re: Electric over Hydrolic Brakes & ITBC

The reason that Ford says it does not work is because the ITBC sends out a pulse periodically to test if the brake circuit is complete (i.e. the trailer brakes are connected and working). With electric/hydraulic trailer brakes, this signal is enought to activate the hydraulic pump, resulting in premature pump wear.

Newer electric/hydraulic brakes systems are designed to work with the newer TBC that send check signals and ignore the pulses. Chances are if the brake system was made in the last year, it will work fine with the ITBC, but check with the system manufacturer.

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Re: Electric over Hydrolic Brakes & ITBC

Bobby, if you want to "get smart" about the subject, pick up the August 2005 issue of Trailer Life magazine. It's usually for sale in RV stores if not at your newsstand. Or wait a couple of weeks, and maybe they'll post it on the Trailer Life website.

A teaser is shown in the August issue index, but the "Getting Along" article is not yet "turned on" so you can read it. http://www.trailerlife.com/output.cfm?ID=991495
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Re: Electric over Hydrolic Brakes & ITBC

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Bobby, if you want to "get smart" about the subject, pick up the August 2005 issue of Trailer Life magazine. It's usually for sale in RV stores if not at your newsstand. Or wait a couple of weeks, and maybe they'll post it on the Trailer Life website.

A teaser is shown in the August issue index, but the "Getting Along" article is not yet "turned on" so you can read it. http://www.trailerlife.com/output.cfm?ID=991495

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Thanks Smokey, I'll pick one up today [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]
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The reason that Ford says it does not work is because the ITBC sends out a pulse periodically to test if the brake circuit is complete (i.e. the trailer brakes are connected and working). With electric/hydraulic trailer brakes, this signal is enought to activate the hydraulic pump, resulting in premature pump wear.

Newer electric/hydraulic brakes systems are designed to work with the newer TBC that send check signals and ignore the pulses. Chances are if the brake system was made in the last year, it will work fine with the ITBC, but check with the system manufacturer.

Cheers,

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that is funny brakesmart sends out a pulse to check the brakes and it works great with electrolic brakes.
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The reason that Ford says it does not work is because the ITBC sends out a pulse periodically to test if the brake circuit is complete (i.e. the trailer brakes are connected and working). With electric/hydraulic trailer brakes, this signal is enought to activate the hydraulic pump, resulting in premature pump wear.

Newer electric/hydraulic brakes systems are designed to work with the newer TBC that send check signals and ignore the pulses. Chances are if the brake system was made in the last year, it will work fine with the ITBC, but check with the system manufacturer.

Cheers,

Tom

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that is funny brakesmart sends out a pulse to check the brakes and it works great with electrolic brakes.

[/ QUOTE ]It depends on the pump/actuator. Some pumps will not tolerate that and they had to add programming/menu options to turn that "feature" off so it would not damage the pump/brakes.
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Re: Electric over Hydrolic Brakes & ITBC

my 2006 book says it should work with the brakes.
cant say for sure i still have the old relaible dinosaur brakes on both trailers
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