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Old 01-21-2007, 10:34 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Hauling 4 wheeler on back of my fifth wheel camper?

I am considering having a platform rig built to haul a 500 lb. four wheeler on the back of my 36 foot fifth wheel. I have at least a 3600 lb. pin weight as well. The welder who will build this has built one for his fifth wheel for a handicap scooter without a problem. He will put a 2 inch receiver on each frame rail to accept the platform so it can be removed. Has anyone out there done this or something like this? Any comments or suggestions would be appreciated!
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Check with the manufacturer of your 5th wheel. I did it to a travel trailer and got horrible sway above 50mph, seemed like I didnt have near enough tongue weight and I only used it for some light cargo and a 100lb. generator but I have seen it done. Im sure some of 5th wheels and travel trailers are built stong enough to handle this or you wouldnt be able to tow behind some of them.
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Re: Hauling 4 wheeler on back of my fifth wheel camper?

I posted to a trailer forum and the had a picture of a guy towing a 22 foot I/O boat behind a 30 ft fifth wheel with a powerstroke. Talk about a load!
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Re: Hauling 4 wheeler on back of my fifth wheel camper?

Things really whipsaw around when suspended off the bumper. I had a spare tire and a bike rack with two bicycles that tore the bumper off of my coachmen 26.5 Travel Trailer.
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Re: Hauling 4 wheeler on back of my fifth wheel camper?

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He will put a 2 inch receiver on each frame rail to accept the platform so it can be removed.

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Yes, it's do-able. But the welder will need to add some reinforcing junk iron to the back frame of the 5er to make it strong enough to handle the extra weight and the flopping that Greenie mentioned. I would go with three of those two-inch receivers, including one in the center to be used as a trailer hitch if needed under other conditions. Then very carefuly make the platform so it will easily slide into those receivers.

I have an ordinary "luggage carrier" platform that plugs into the trailer hitch receiver on the back of the 5er. The platform is rated for 500 pounds, and I probably haul about 400 pounds back there on some trips when the genearator is hauled back there. But I need to have that carrier redesigned to have three receivers so it doesn't flop up and down on the sides of the carrier on rough roads.

500 pounds added to the tail end of your 5er will redistribute the 5er gross weight from hitch weight to your trailer axle weight, but it shouldn't be enough to worry about - assuming you have excess tire capacity and trailer axle capacity. The first trip with the new load back there, get a CAT scale report and be certain you are not overloading either the trailer axles or tires. And if your hitch weight is not at least 15 percent of gross trailer weight, then maybe move other stuff from the back of the trailer to the front to balance the load better.
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Re: Hauling 4 wheeler on back of my fifth wheel camper?

Thanks Smokey,
I have every confidence in my welder guy. I saw him build a complete log trailer in his shop! He has a degree in architectural design. He does beautiful quality welding work. He looked at my Montana fiver that does not come with any rear bumper. He also has the same Honda 350 that I have and has a fifth wheel with a platform carrier that he built and puts a handicap scooter on it.
3 receivers would be great as well!
I agree about the reinforcing junk on the back! That C channel frame is not that thick back there. The overhung load is my biggest concern. Pin weight I'm over 3600 lbs. With my tools and my wifes stuff way more!
I just need a few I dunnit and works great reinforcements for me!
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Re: Hauling 4 wheeler on back of my fifth wheel camper?

I saw a fiver with a quad on the back like you said and after looking around the trailer Where the slide slides in it was bigger on the top rear and was rubbing the slide when it came in on the top front.

Looked like to me that the frame was pulling down in the rear and making the slide in hole rack to the rear.

I wouldn't do it . I would buy one with the rear garage and know it was designed to do that.
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I saw a fiver with a quad on the back like you said and after looking around the trailer Where the slide slides in it was bigger on the top rear and was rubbing the slide when it came in on the top front.

[/ QUOTE ] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

Can you decode that sentence for me.
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Re: Hauling 4 wheeler on back of my fifth wheel camper?

My Father in Law had one built on his last 5er and used two 2in. receiver tubes and had the last 3ft. of the frame rails boxed and a crossmember added. He used it for 6 years with a Polaris 500 Sportsman 4X4. He made many trips to Oregon, Utah, and weekend trips to Glamis with no problems. He since has traded up to a32 ft Toyhauler. My last trip to the Oregon Dunes I saw an older 22 ft. Aljo TT that they added 8ft. to the front and put a flat deck for 2 Quads. It was a very clean and looked almost factory.
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Re: Hauling 4 wheeler on back of my fifth wheel camper?

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I saw a fiver with a quad on the back like you said and after looking around the trailer Where the slide slides in it was bigger on the top rear and was rubbing the slide when it came in on the top front.

[/ QUOTE ] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

Can you decode that sentence for me.

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Firesoutmatt saw a fifth wheel with a quad rack built on the back. Upon closer inspection of the opening in the trailer body for the slide he discovered the opening was no longer square. The top rear had pulled away from the slide itself toward the back of the trailer and the top front had pulled back into the slide enough to rub when moving the slide into position.

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Re: Hauling 4 wheeler on back of my fifth wheel camper?

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I saw a fiver with a quad on the back like you said and after looking around the trailer Where the slide slides in it was bigger on the top rear and was rubbing the slide when it came in on the top front.

[/ QUOTE ] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

Can you decode that sentence for me.

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Firesoutmatt saw a fifth wheel with a quad rack built on the back. Upon closer inspection of the opening in the trailer body for the slide he discovered the opening was no longer square. The top rear had pulled away from the slide itself toward the back of the trailer and the top front had pulled back into the slide enough to rub when moving the slide into position.

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That would be a better way of saying it. Thanks
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Re: Hauling 4 wheeler on back of my fifth wheel camper?

Hope I didn't offend - I sure did not intend to. My thought actually was that everything was there for anyone to read in your response.

If I did offend I apologize.

Also, what you found would certainly make me think twice about doing something like this to a trailer with a slide.

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Re: Hauling 4 wheeler on back of my fifth wheel camper?

I'm getting two opposite views. I've seen it done works great and Oh no it could be bad news for your rig.
A friend said put the rack on the front of the truck! I said no way to that! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img]

I'm having second thoughts. I don't want to ruin a $50,000 camper. I think I might make other plans. Like have somebody follow me pulling the quad on a trailer or in the pickup bed.
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Re: Hauling 4 wheeler on back of my fifth wheel camper?

Is it legal to tow doubles anymore? If it is, cant you just mount a receiver an tow a small single axle trailer with the quad on it? There shouldnt be that much tongue weight.
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Re: Hauling 4 wheeler on back of my fifth wheel camper?

Towing doubles is technically illegal in the state of Georgia. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/phoney.gif[/img] Of course I've seen it done. A friend asked a Georgia State Patrol officer if he would ticket them he said no! Go figure! I have considered maybe trying the double tow. After all what are they going to do.... give me a ticket. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shrug.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shrug.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shrug.gif[/img]
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