Ok I live in Pennsylvania and my friend and I are considering doing some lite towing for some extra cash, But before we get started I want to make sure we do everything legally. So if anyone is familiar with PA laws I would appreciate some insight on what we can legally tow. I am more concerned about his truck which is 2000 Dodge ram 2500 (360 cu.) with a GCWR of 14,000 lbs. His truck weighs about 6500# empty, if he is pulling a 10k lb trailer he is obviously over the GCWR, but do DOT weigh stations check the GCWR on pickup trucks? If so, how do they know what the GCWR is being that it is not show on the registation or the door sticker? I know it is not safe to tow over the GCWR, but righ not I am just looking at the legal side of this. Also what do they check at DOT weight stations, axle weight, GVWR, GCWR, etc.?
Thanks,
Ryan
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Biggest issue will be insurance - check with your insurance company, I was looking at hauling tractors on the weekends, insurance was $500+ a month.
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You would not have to pull into weigh stations with that truck and trailer. In PA you have to pull into weigh stations if you are registered for more than 17,000 lbs.
Been Hauling In Pa for awhile now... Ive hauled close to 2 million pounds of rubbish this year, Only really been over my Gcwr 3 times this year.. was 40 lbs under Cdl requirements on one load.
But to make the story short. Never been weight Checked. But i rarely haul on the hi-ways.
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DOT determines your GCVWR by adding your truck GVWR and your trailer GVWR. If your truck is 7000lbs GVWR and you are pulling a trailer that is 10000lbs GVWR, then your GCVWR is 17,000lbs.
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DOT determines your GCVWR by adding your truck GVWR and your trailer GVWR. If your truck is 7000lbs GVWR and you are pulling a trailer that is 10000lbs GVWR, then your GCVWR is 17,000lbs.
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OK, that's what thought. Thanks for the info guys.
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And in pa, if you have commercial tags and have a GCWR of 17000 lbs or more, you fall into fed DOT regs. hold onto your hat, pretty soon we'll need log books too!
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DOT determines your GCVWR by adding your truck GVWR and your trailer GVWR. If your truck is 7000lbs GVWR and you are pulling a trailer that is 10000lbs GVWR, then your GCVWR is 17,000lbs.
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Is that the GVWR as set by the manufacturer or the *Registered* GVWR ?
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DOT determines your GCVWR by adding your truck GVWR and your trailer GVWR. If your truck is 7000lbs GVWR and you are pulling a trailer that is 10000lbs GVWR, then your GCVWR is 17,000lbs.
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Is that the GVWR as set by the manufacturer or the *Registered* GVWR ?
[/ QUOTE ]Gross Vehicle Weight Rating would be the rating as set by the manufacturer.
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You must register you truck as a gcwr it is not just registerd that way .I just had my truck changed to 26000gcwr the licence is like $400 now to be a combination. if your trailer is more than 10,000lbs you must register your truck as a combination in pa. also if you in buisness you will need a D.O.T # and will need a D.O.T physical card if you drive on interstate roads . my fatherinlaw just got stoped with his chevy 1 ton van and got fined for no D.O.T # posted on the truck and not having his physical card.
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Yea the manufacturer rating doesnt mean squat in PA Registered Gross Weight is what counts on our roads.
[/ QUOTE ]Actually if your registered in PA, they can use either Manufacturers GVWR,or Reg. GVWR. Most states won't enforce another states Registered GVWR, only Maufacturers GVWR, or if the state uses one, they can also enforce a bridge formula to determine max GVWR.
Say you are reg. and operating in PA. You are reg. in PA for 26,000lbs GCVWR, your truck has a man. GVWR of 11,000lbs. and your trailer has a man. GVWR of 12,000lbs., total of 23,000lbs. You come across the scale weighing 25,000lbs. you are over weight, even though you are registered for 26,000lbs. They may see your registration and let you go, but if they look at your manufacturer GVWR then you will be getting a ticket.
Now say you are reg. in PA. and operating in MD. MD. couldn't care less about what your reg. says, they will go by your manufacturer rating, or bridge formula.
Bridge formulas are a way to determine a vehicles GVWR or GCVWR, based on the number of axles and the wheelbase. States use different formulas so a truck could be allowed 2 different GVWR, in 2 different states, even though the truck is the same.
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Whether or not you need a DOT number depends on if you are operating intrastate or interstate. I don't know what PA.'s requirements are for intrastate (operating only in PA.) DOT numbers. If you are operating interstate (in more then one state) and you are over 10,000lbs GVWR, then you must have a Federal DOT number.
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01 Dodge 2500 QC LB... ISSPROS, FASS, Comp tapped, 5" mitres Dyno: 339.53hp 718.86lb-ft at Kuaffmans 04/06
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