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Old 08-15-2006, 12:57 PM   #1 (permalink)
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question for smokey wren

i have a cedar creek silver back 33lbhts
and tow with 2006 f250 sc short box 4x4 with 9800lb gvwr am i within spec?
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Old 08-15-2006, 10:56 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Re: question for smokey wren

I'm not Smokeywren but here is an online weight calculator I believe can help you out.

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Re: question for smokey wren

I have a trailer that weighs 9200#s and connected I weigh 16900. with your weight you are well below the gross weight allowed. I would weigh your front and rear truck axles to find out what they weight when loaded with the 5er.

Sorry I am not smokey.
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Re: question for smokey wren

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i have a cedar creek silver back 33lbhts

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Hey! I like that floorplan. Sounds great for hauling kids around the country in the summertime. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/warmsmile.gif[/img]

Click here for Forest River Cedar Creek Silverback 33LBHTS.

They say dry weight is 10,492 and GVWR is 13,830.

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...and tow with 2006 f250 sc short box 4x4 with 9800lb gvwr am i within spec?

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Your GCWR is 23,000 pounds. So if you load the trailer to the gills so it weighs 13,830 pounds, that leaves 9,170 for the weight of the wet and loaded tow vehicle before you'd exceed the GCWR of your tow vehicle.

Your wet but empty tow vehicle will probably weigh about 6,700 pounds. Add driver, passenger, bedliner, 5er hitch, toolbox full of tools, and cooler full of cool, and you'll have about 7,700 pounds. That leaves about 2100 pounds for maximum pin weight.

A 5er that grosses 13,830 pounds should have around 17 to 18 percent of the gross trailer weight on the kingpin. Or a minimum of about 2,350 pounds of pin weight.

Only the CAT scales can tell you for sure, but it sounds like you'll probably be a few hundred pounds over the GVWR of your tow vehicle when you're wet and loaded for the road. If you can keep the weight of the wet and loaded tow vehicle down to 7,700 pounds, and the pin weight down to 2,350 pounds, then you'll have a GVW of 10,050, or 250 pounds over the GVWR of the tow vehicle.

You can reduce the pin weight a bit by towing with near-empty fresh-water tank and empty holding tanks. And don't load anything heavy into the basement. If you tote a generator with you, mount it on the back of the 5er. On mine, I added a receiver hitch and one of those receiver-mounted luggage carriers on the back of the 5er. That's good for up to 500 pounds, and most portable generators won't weigh that much.
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Re: question for smokey wren

thanks smokey..... most of the time we don't pack too heavy
carry almost nothing in the truck except me my wife and (1) 22 pound cat
never fill fresh water more than about half full(no dry camping)
and always travel with empty gray and black tanks
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Re: question for smokey wren

I'm not SmokeyWren but I play him on the internet and my advice is; your GCWR is 23,000 pounds. So if you load the trailer to the gills so it weighs 13,830 pounds, that leaves 9,170 for the weight of the wet and loaded tow vehicle before you'd exceed the GCWR of your tow vehicle.

Your wet but empty tow vehicle will probably weigh about 6,700 pounds. Add driver, passenger, bedliner, 5er hitch, toolbox full of tools, and cooler full of cool, and you'll have about 7,700 pounds. That leaves about 2100 pounds for maximum pin weight.

A 5er that grosses 13,830 pounds should have around 17 to 18 percent of the gross trailer weight on the kingpin. Or a minimum of about 2,350 pounds of pin weight.

Only the CAT scales can tell you for sure, but it sounds like you'll probably be a few hundred pounds over the GVWR of your tow vehicle when you're wet and loaded for the road. If you can keep the weight of the wet and loaded tow vehicle down to 7,700 pounds, and the pin weight down to 2,350 pounds, then you'll have a GVW of 10,050, or 250 pounds over the GVWR of the tow vehicle.

You can reduce the pin weight a bit by towing with near-empty fresh-water tank and empty holding tanks. And don't load anything heavy into the basement. If you tote a generator with you, mount it on the back of the 5er. On mine, I added a receiver hitch and one of those receiver-mounted luggage carriers on the back of the 5er. That's good for up to 500 pounds, and most portable generators won't weigh that much.
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I'm not SmokeyWren but I play him on the internet and my advice is; your GCWR is 23,000 pounds. So if you load the trailer to the gills so it weighs 13,830 pounds, that leaves 9,170 for the weight of the wet and loaded tow vehicle before you'd exceed the GCWR of your tow vehicle.

Your wet but empty tow vehicle will probably weigh about 6,700 pounds. Add driver, passenger, bedliner, 5er hitch, toolbox full of tools, and cooler full of cool, and you'll have about 7,700 pounds. That leaves about 2100 pounds for maximum pin weight.

A 5er that grosses 13,830 pounds should have around 17 to 18 percent of the gross trailer weight on the kingpin. Or a minimum of about 2,350 pounds of pin weight.

Only the CAT scales can tell you for sure, but it sounds like you'll probably be a few hundred pounds over the GVWR of your tow vehicle when you're wet and loaded for the road. If you can keep the weight of the wet and loaded tow vehicle down to 7,700 pounds, and the pin weight down to 2,350 pounds, then you'll have a GVW of 10,050, or 250 pounds over the GVWR of the tow vehicle.

You can reduce the pin weight a bit by towing with near-empty fresh-water tank and empty holding tanks. And don't load anything heavy into the basement. If you tote a generator with you, mount it on the back of the 5er. On mine, I added a receiver hitch and one of those receiver-mounted luggage carriers on the back of the 5er. That's good for up to 500 pounds, and most portable generators won't weigh that much.

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Very weird.
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Re: question for smokey wren

Did that guy stay at a Holiday Inn Express?
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Very weird.

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Oh come on.... it was a joke, I was just repeating smokey. I think he gives sound advice, most of the time [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
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I thought it was funny. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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Man, a 22lb cat [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif[/img]
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Very weird.

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Oh come on.... it was a joke, I was just repeating smokey. I think he gives sound advice, most of the time [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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Re: question for smokey wren

hey smokey... we love the floor plan too,
the youth bunk in the back is kitty bed, kinda hard to fit 2 adults and a little kitty in the queen bed up front
oh ... we don't have kids just really liked the floor plan

yup 22lbs and the vet says he isn't fat..... said not go any bigger though
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