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Old 08-05-2006, 06:52 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Ramifications of Towing Overloaded

What are the ramifications of towing 'overloaded'. Mostly concerned about being over the GVWR, and not the axle ratings. Here is the scenario:

I have a 4x4 diesel Excursion. The GVWR is 9200 lbs. With a full tank of fuel, but otherwise empty, the Excursion comes in at 8300 lbs. Six passengers & minimal luggage and I'm at GVRRW w/ nothing left for for pin weight when pulling a trailer. I don't believe that the situation is any different for a F250 w/ diesel & 4x4.

What are the options for pulling legally? I don't think that I'm anyware close to the axle ratings, and certainly not the tire ratings. I could add helper springs, but that still would not change the door sticker.

So, what are the ramifications if I am 'overweight'. I'm sure I'm not the only one with this dilema. BTW, I want to get a 29' TT w/ one slide next year, and would use a weight distributing hitch, anti-sway, etc. to be safe, but know that I will be 'illegal'.
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Re: Ramifications of Towing Overloaded

Mostly insurance problems and possible lawsuits in the event you cause an accident or the such.

In todays world I would not chance it but that is just me.


Are you sure your GVWR is that low on an X? I don't think mine is that low but I could be wrong. Been a few years since I looked.

Thought is was more like 10.5K
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Re: Ramifications of Towing Overloaded

"I don't believe that the situation is any different for a F250 w/ diesel & 4x4."

With both tanks full and me sitting in the truck, I'm at 6,900'.
I have a CC 4X4. Weight was checked at a set of CAT scales. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shrug.gif[/img]
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Re: Ramifications of Towing Overloaded

the rig in my sig weighs 7700 pounds with fuel and my 5er hitch with no tailgate

front axle 4560
rear axle 3140

sorry can't help with the excursion though
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the rig in my sig weighs 7700 pounds with fuel and my 5er hitch with no tailgate

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Apparently I'm wrong on the F250 weight. I will get my Excursion reweight as it's been a couple of years & I working of of memory (or maybe my Ex lost some weight). I'm pretty sure that it will be 83oo lbs. though.
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My X was at 8200 lbs. with fuel and driver. That leaves only 1000lbs for passengers, gear and tongue weight. I am usually at about 10,500 GVW when loaded up with family, boat and camping gear.
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"Mostly insurance problems and possible lawsuits in the event you cause an accident or the such."

Insurance companies pay to the policies limits and no one has ever been sued for being over the GVWR or the GCVWR.

VA. *may* require you to register your rig for the max amount you expect to haul or *may* only require you to register for what the Ex will weigh loaded. It's all a money thing dispite what people want to think about it being safty related.
Ask your DMV if you need weight rated plates for your passenger car to pull a trailer in your state. If not... you are legal with what you have. I don't think you will need anything other then what you have now. If you do... Please come back here & tell us.
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Re: Ramifications of Towing Overloaded

I don't know about your state but in Indiana I get the impression that if you have licensed your vehicles to the appropriate level of weight (paid the taxes) you won't have any issues with the state authorities. For example you can legally license your X for 7000lbs if you're just using it for transportation, but you don't want to be pulling a trailer with that weight catagory plate.
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Re: Ramifications of Towing Overloaded

I just went to the VA DMV web site & it says that the 1997 Ford Expidition that Ford recomends that I don't load to over 7200 pounds can be loaded to 40,000 pounds BEFORE I need to purchas an overweight permit.
I really don't think I need to worry about the permit, the truck will break something long before I get to 40,000 pounds.

"When is a Hauling Permit Required?
If your vehicle configuration is reduced to its smallest dimensions possible and still exceeds the maximum limitations identified below, you must obtain a hauling permit prior to traveling over Virginia's highways.

Height 13" 6'
Width 8" 6'
Length 40' - Motorized Vehicle other than Buses or Motor Homes
48' - Trailer (53' trailers allowed on interstate system)
65' - Vehicle/Trailer Combination
Overhang 4' - Rear 3' - Front
Weight 20,000 - Single Axle
34,000 - Tandem Axle "

Fords recomendations have NOTHING to do with being "LEGAL" in VA.
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Re: Ramifications of Towing Overloaded

In my youth, I had a supervisor that was having a blacktop driveway installed and was giving away the crushed stone that was being removed. My Dad said he'd like to have it and gave me his '71 Dodge 3/4 ton long bed p/u to go pick it up. I hand-shoveled the bed full to the top of the p/u sides. The truck was still sitting nice as I left for home about 30 miles away.

Talk about ramifications, by the time I got home the bump pad brackets on the frame for the overload springs had bent upward allowing the overload springs to quit carrying any weight. As the rear sagged the weight transfer lightened the front end stretching the powersteering hose pulling it up against the exhaust pipe, that melted a hole in the hose loosing all the power steering fluid. After the truck was unloaded the sheet metal bed had sagged alot between the bed support braces.

A new p/s hose and overload bump pad brackets put the truck back almost as good as before but the bed kept its sagging floor panels just as a reminder of the experience for the rest of the trucks life.
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Don't really know if the penalty is as severe for non-commericial, but a business associate of mine just received a $3,400 ticket for being overwieght. He was only 4200lbs over his GCVWR. What a Bi***!

FYI. He owns a landscaping supply business.
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After the truck was unloaded the sheet metal bed had sagged alot between the bed support braces.

thats what my bed looks like when I got it plus the top of the sides were all bent down too straightened the sides but don't see a way to fix the bed bottom other than a liner or replace bed
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Don't really know if the penalty is as severe for non-commericial, but a business associate of mine just received a $3,400 ticket for being overwieght. He was only 4200lbs over his GCVWR. What a Bi***!


FYI. He owns a landscaping supply business.

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When you say he was 4200 pounds over his GCVWR, is that over the "Recommended" GCVWR published by Ford or the weight he had it registered with the state for?
What was his registered weight?
What state was this?
Would you PLEASE get the court information & the date this happened so it can be verified as the FIRST PR OVEN example of FORDS numbers being used to ticket someone.

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Leader,

The truck was a GMC 7500 and he had a 12,000lb trailer on it. The truck had a load of crushed limestone (used for base) and a couple of pallets of pavers on the trailer.

Sorry if I mislead you, I thought you were asking about any overweight vehicle.

This was in Connecticut about 4 weeks ago.

I still think that was a rather heafty fine!!
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Don't really know if the penalty is as severe for non-commericial, but a business associate of mine just received a $3,400 ticket for being overwieght. He was only 4200lbs over his GCVWR. What a Bi***!

FYI. He owns a landscaping supply business.

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Only 4200lbs over his GCVWR....

And he does not see a problem with this...?
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