My truck is not registered for a GCWR but I have a commercial plate registered for 10,000 GVWR. Front axle 4600 and rear axle 6084.
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The Excursion, SUV, gets registered as a passenger car in CT so weights don't apply.
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For a not-for-hire pick-up (Commercial Plate but considered an automobile) California charges by the actual weight of the vehicle, as declared by the dealer. Once set it is most difficult to change. It has to include all normal equipment purchased at the time of sale, i.e. bumper, spare tire, etc. You can register a pick-up as an auto and get out of some of the below fees, but it is your butt if you get caught carrying anything, including one two by four with a passenger vehicle plate.
You cannot register it for your intended load, only actual vehicle weight. So we have a Registration fee, California Highway Patrol fee, Weight fee, Vehicle License fee, Fingerprint ID fee, Auto Theft and/or DUI Deterrence Program fee, Reflecterized License Plate fee, and, depending on which county you live in, various other local fees, including Air Quality Management fees etc. A new truck with a weight of between 8000 and 9000 lbs is going to run in the neighborhood of $612 for the first year if in a County that doesn't require other fees. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bleh.gif[/img]
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A new truck with a weight of between 8000 and 9000 lbs is going to run in the neighborhood of $612 for the first year if in a County that doesn't require other fees. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bleh.gif[/img]
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That is about the going rate for a standard registration here, I cant wait to see what a 26k registration is going to cost.
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SUV's (Excursion is one), get tagged as cars here in TN. Only costs me $28 a year. The trailer tags cost me just over $90, but that's a lifetime plate.
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Registration is at the curb weight for non-commercial vehicles in Michigan. I cannot register at a higher weight unless I declare myself a Commercial Motor Vehicle (CMV). Why would I want to do that? Only CMV can get weight tags.
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In TX typically the dealer gets plates for your new truck and the MSO has GVW rating and shipping weight. Clerk in tag office at county courthouse does the rest and unless you are commercial there is no reason nor any opportunity to do it any other way. Even with subsequent owner's registering used trucks it is continued at whatever the original license category was.
I've towed 17 round bales (approx 1200 pounds each) on my 36 foot flat deck tandem axle trailer past TX DPS truck officers and they didn't chase me down. I take that as evidence that I must be a law-abiding citizen.......
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California also differentiates between "pickups" and other commercial vehicles. Since the Commercial Vehicle Registration Act of 2001, trucks that fit within the narrow, statutory definition of pickups (less than 6,000 pounds curb weight, enclosed box not greater than 8.5 feet in length, etc.) do not have to anticipate their highest GCWR that they might run during any given year. In other words, pickups are exempt.
If the pick up box is taken off, and a little ranch flat bed is put on it's place, then it technically is no longer a pickup, and now every year the owner must anticipate the weight of his or her heaviest trailer or load that they might haul, and pay according to that gross combined weight.
If pulled over and scaled over the weight that was anticipated and registered for, the fine includes forced registration at the highest weight class, 80,000 lbs, which in 2002 was $1,700.00 annually, in additon to the other fees outlined by a poster above.
Quite a few dually pickups now weigh over 6,000 lbs, so they technically would not conform to the statutory definition of pickup, as I remember the statute to be from five years ago.
Things may have changed since we got a Govener who owns seven Hummers, that each weigh over 6,000 curb. Best to see for yourself, but I just wanted to gain the sympathy of people in other states who don't have to deal with all this government money grabbing.
$28 bucks to register a pickup? Amazing what a difference a state makes.
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Ok help me with this California thing. My F450 weighs 9300 lbs. unladen. I am pulling a 12,000 5er. Now do I have to pay more than the $360.00 weight fees I have already paid? It has a pickup bed on the truck does that make a difference?
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The Empire State (the "great" state of New York) has decided in their infinite wisdom to set an arbitrarily low weight (6500 lbs, I think) for any truck above which it is declared commercial.
So I have commercial plates, and the limits are defined by the OEM GVWR. As far as I know, I can't downrate the registered value, as there is no place to go. They don't ask. It is what it is, the computer knows it's a dually by the VIN, and they hand me the plates.
The only escape road is an RV registration, but that requires proof of a slide in camper or "permanently mounted camping equipment". I though about bolting a small aluminum box filled with plastic tent stakes in front of a wheelwell, but there really isn't much advantage.
And like Kanman says, I have no idea what this means. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shrug.gif[/img]
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Ok help me with this California thing. My F450 weighs 9300 lbs. unladen. I am pulling a 12,000 5er. Now do I have to pay more than the $360.00 weight fees I have already paid? It has a pickup bed on the truck does that make a difference?
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You pay the curb weight of the truck, empty. The only time you pay for a "laden" weight that I am aware of is for "for hire" commercial. So you shouldn't have to pay more than the $360.00
Another oddity in California is that if your travel/5er trailer is 10,000 + lbs you can tow it with a Class C license but have to have an RV endorsement. Good luck trying to explain that you want an RV endorsement to the DMV workers. Most of them in the recent past give you the deer in a spotlight look and go - Huh?.
In Indiana and Louisiana, registration is based on truck & trailer combination. Like others I have seen dually's with 7000 # plates and wonder what they were thinking. I'm registered for 16,000 and just once I was alittle over. Sweating the whole way [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img] 18,600
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