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Old 07-22-2007, 11:49 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Timbren vs. Airbags

Any feedback on ride quality & handling when putting in the Timbren Overload Kit vs. Firestone Airbags?

I will be towing a 5th wheel. I'm hoping to gain some ride quality when empty as well.

I'll be putting one or the other in this week and need to decide what to install.


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Re: Timbren vs. Airbags

You won't see an improvement empty. In fact it will ride just like it does now, because they don't come into play until you put a load on the truck.

The plus side is, no need to adjust air pressure for your load.
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Re: Timbren vs. Airbags

For a picture of a pretty decent load on Timbrens, see Here, That was 25,760 lbs with about 7k on the pin, 14,100 on the trailer axles. Sits pretty level right? Pulled like a dream.
I am very happy with them!
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Re: Timbren vs. Airbags

And you were on the Interstate (by the looks of it) with that load, lucky you and others I guess.
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Re: Timbren vs. Airbags

I am on the fence with them. I like the idea of the bags, but the timbrens look simple.
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Re: Timbren vs. Airbags

There were some post either here or RV.NET stating that the Firestone Airbag mounting hardware didn't last and mods. were required?

I don't have experiance with them but I did put Timbrens on one of our work trucks and think they are great.
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Re: Timbren vs. Airbags

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And you were on the Interstate (by the looks of it) with that load, lucky you and others I guess.

[/ QUOTE ] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shrug.gif[/img] What do you mean by that? I was 1800 lbs under the pin weight for an F350.. and under my gross tag weight, (If you mean over the 20k recommended by Ford, then slam every RV trailer tower out there, (Business and recreational...) [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif[/img] Because allmost any decent sized 5er will be over 20k with the truck, trailer, wet and loaded.
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And you were on the Interstate (by the looks of it) with that load, lucky you and others I guess.

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There is nothing wrong with that load. Why can't people remember people doing the same thing with trucks of the 70's and 80's. There suspensions were more HD than ours so the loads didn't squat them as much, so they hauled more.

If you are heavy and drive prudently then your fine. A pick-up will stop 25K with no trailer brakes in a decent amount of time as long as you are going straight. Not something I look forward to, but it has happened and the truck did it fine.

I don't understand why people jump up and down screaming that is unsafe when the US DOT and the individual state DOT give them the tags to do it. I have stayed over night next to a 1 ton Dodge with 41900 lbs on his door with ICC and DOT numbers. Is that safe? Don't know, but I would have liked to drive the truck to see how it did.

Most I have ever done was 33K worth of boat, trailer and truck. While I could not go fast (55mph on flats and lots slower on the hills) the truck pulled it fine (81N PA and NY were bumpy), stopped fine, turned fine, and got 11 mpg doing it.

Sorry for the rant, but I guess we should build bubbles to live in and never experience anything unless there is zero risk. I actually enjoy seeing guys trying to do more with less. Complacency is never a good thing.
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Re: Timbren vs. Airbags

How come I'm not seeing anyone jumping up and down yelling that I need to have airbags?

Given the price difference, I expected to see a bunch of reasons why I should get airbags...

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Hold on a minute... You are telling me a 7,000lb pin load on the back of the F350 is ok? Now if I am misunderstanding that post let me know.
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Re: Timbren vs. Airbags

I went straight from the dealer with a full tank of fuel and weighed mine. With me in the truck (175 lbs), I was at 8220. Take me out and I'm at 8045 for the truck loaded with diesel and no gear. Hitch should be about 250, so that is 8295. Add me back in and you are at 8470. My door reads 11,400 GVWR, so that leaves 2930 for PIN weight. Add coffee and donuts and you are down to 2929...

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Re: Timbren vs. Airbags

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Hold on a minute... You are telling me a 7,000lb pin load on the back of the F350 is ok? Now if I am misunderstanding that post let me know.

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Ain't no way that's 7k pin load - the math is not adding up....I would say if that was a 14k load with the trailer then you're looking at about 1500 - 2000lb pin weight....

I'm thinking typo.

BTW - I have timbrens in the photo in my avatar - that's a 4h slat with living quarters GVWR about 12,000lbs. We pull 14k (hay and trailer) frequently and looks pretty good..
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JimTJr and MarkEkberg

Hold on a minute... You are telling me a 7,000lb pin load on the back of the F350 is ok? Now if I am misunderstanding that post let me know.

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Ain't no way that's 7k pin load - the math is not adding up....I would say if that was a 14k load with the trailer then you're looking at about 1500 - 2000lb pin weight....

I'm thinking typo.

BTW - I have timbrens in the photo in my avatar - that's a 4h slat with living quarters GVWR about 12,000lbs. We pull 14k (hay and trailer) frequently and looks pretty good..

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Understood... Could be a typo (thanks for pointing out, I wasn't going to), but they both could see what was written in that post above mine when they had their words to say to me. I said what I had to say because of that post, what was typed.

For some reason people think they have to tow a battleship to prove some type of point, they are proving a point, but not the one they think they are.

Sorry to much off of thread subject, sorry Alem
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Re: Timbren vs. Airbags

ahh,, it was a mis conception, there was 7k or so ON THE AXLE, NOT ON THE PIN of the trailer, (Total, with the trucks axle weight too...)
Sooo If I Mislead you to thinking the trailer had 7k there, I see the mistake, sorry. I did not explain it correctly.


These are rated at 8800 on the rear wheels, too.
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Re: Timbren vs. Airbags

you want someone to jump up and down about the air bags....ok....im not sure if they are good or not..i think i expect too much....i put a buggy on my truck and 1 in the toy box......so 1350 toung weight another 1640 for rack and buggy and 3,140 for the rear half of my truck = 6,130 on my axil....air bags couldnt handel it...so with the air bags i added 2 leafs and 1 on the overloads....now i add about 70 psi to level it out.........on the other hand my friends with smaller loads say they are the cats meow.....and one more thing..the bolts that comes with the bags suck....probably better suited for the wooden gate on the side if your house...so buy class 8 haedware and lock nuts......david
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