Does anyone know how to title an enclosed trailer (car hauler) as an RV, in CA? It turns out you can't tow over 10k GVWR in CA without a CDL unless it's an RV.
Put an air conditioner, a couple of fold down bunks, a microwave, water tank and sink with pump and porta potty in it and call it a travel trailer. You need these things anyway when at the race track. Don't forget a couple of windows. And a generator in a compartment. Then it will be a toy hauler, which is an RV.
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1999 7.3 F450 Cabriolet Crew Cab with Aluminum hauler bed (love the side storage!), Banks Power Pac, Donaldson Air Filter, Set up for Fifth Wheel, Gooseneck and bumper pull. ATS Billet Transmission, ATS Five Star Torque Converter, ATS Co-Pilot. Pulling a 34 ft. Silverado Aluminum Horse Trailer with Living Quarters.
This F450 will be replaced with a heavier truck, maybe a Freightliner or a Peterbilt around 25,000 GVW. AND with a big manual transmission.
If it is then there should be no problem in convincing the inspector that it is in fact an RV. But if you just throw a cot and a porta-pottie in there, they might cast askant glances at you.
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My Sierra Blanca in the sig pic was a great pickup for 11.5 years. I sold it last year. Replacement is a 2012 F-150 EcoBoost SuperCrew Lariat.
i could easily add a sink, cot, windows, microwave. just the bathroom will be difficult as it will eat too much space. think i can get away without that?
i could easily add a sink, cot, windows, microwave. just the bathroom will be difficult as it will eat too much space. think i can get away without that?
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Todd
08 F350, CC, 4X4, long bed, dually, Tow Boss, Lariat, all stock
09 Attitude, 37ft Toy haulin 5th
I don't believe having living quarters exempts you from the noncommercial class A license requirement.
From CA DMV license info:
A Noncommercial Class A license is required if you tow:
a travel trailer weighing over 10,000 lbs. Gross Vehicle Weight Rating (GVWR) which is not used for hire.
a fifth-wheel travel trailer weighting over 15,000 lbs. GVWR which is not used for hire.
a livestock trailer that is not for hire, weight over 10,000 lbs. GVWR but not over 15,000 lbs. GVWR, and is operated within 150 miles of the farm by a farmer to transport livestock.
I don't believe having living quarters exempts you from the noncommercial class A license requirement.
You've misunderstood my problem. A trailer over 10k GVWR that is not a travel trailer requires a CDL. Hence if I can title the trailer as an RV/travel trailer I can avoid getting a CDL.
You need a full blown Class A with your current setup.
If you can get the trailer registered as a travel trailer, then you will only need a noncommercial Class A. Other than the tests, the only extra requirement from a Class C would be the biannual health questionnaire.
Form for certifying as RV, scroll down: http://www.dmv.ca.gov/forms/reg/reg256a.pdf
Of course they use 'includes, but not limited to' in their definition. That way they can make you jump through hoops. I've had more than my fair share of fun at the DMV trying to get older/salvage vehicles back on the road.
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2000 Ford SD; PSD; Crew Cab; SB; Lariet; Air Lift suspension; K&N; Dynomax exhaust; ATS 88mm BB turbo; A-pillar three gage pod with Auto Meter pyro, boost and tranny temp gages; Prodigy brake controller; Rancho 9000 shocks; DP Tuner; 4R100 by Trans-Craft.
i am buying a new trailer and will receive the MSO, if that matters. the trailer will never have been titled or registered in any state when i get it.
If you're buying a new trailer get one with what is needed. If you already ordered it I bet it's a lot cheaper to trade it in for what you want before you take it off the lot.
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Evan-
2003 Ford F-350 Crew Cab L/B/Dually XLT FX4 7.3L/Auto- Gooseneck Hitch Fifth Wheel Rails, Firestone Air Bags/ Toolbox
Form for certifying as RV, scroll down: http://www.dmv.ca.gov/forms/reg/reg256a.pdf
Of course they use 'includes, but not limited to' in their definition. That way they can make you jump through hoops. I've had more than my fair share of fun at the DMV trying to get older/salvage vehicles back on the road.
Man, all those covered wagons heading west back in the old days were illegal??!!
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Originally Posted by http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d01/vc324.htm
324. A "fifth-wheel travel trailer" is a vehicle designed for recreational purposes to carry persons or property on its own structure and so constructed as to be drawn by a motor vehicle by means of a kingpin connecting device.
It sounds like I need to have an argument with the CHP and DMV. By argument I mean exercise in frustration, of course.
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