I am out here in Calif. and have found a deal on a 25' long gooseneck deckover trailer, But I am out here in SoCal. at our other house on Vacation. I have also purchased 2 sea-doo's on a double Zieman trailer.
I am very familiar vith towing goosenecks trailer, but my F350 is at home in Tn. So I am wondering if this is a doable tow?
Also, let me tell you that the Excursion has a 3.5" Donahue lift sitting on 35" tires, so the reciver is higher then a stock 4wd Excursion. and also has the ride rite airbag system with the onboard compressor. Could I use a class 5, 6" drop hitch reversed with a 2-5/16 ball and tow this home with the skies on the deck of the trailer? I know I would need to watch the corners in a sharpe turn, but the trailer has an 8' V frame rails back to the bulkhead where the deck connects.
Again, this trailer is 25' long and has tandem 7K axles for a total of 14,000 lbs GWR. I also have my sherline trailer tounge weight scale with me if anyone needs to know the tounge weight of the trailer.
this is just to good of a deal to pass up and would like to get it home this trip instead of having to leave it here at the house in Ca. and schedule another trip out this summer.
thanks again.
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2003 BLACK F-350 XLT Sport,Crew Cab,FX4,ESOF-4X4 LB,Daullie 6.0 w/ 5 spd auto, moonroof, 4:10 limited slip, Back up sensors Daul Alternators,AIC. Line-X,B&W Turnover ball.
Prodigy brake controller.
2003 BLACK Excursion Limited 7.3 w/DVD entertainment center, rear captians chairs, 3.73 limited slip.
1999 F-250 SC,7.3 lariat 4X2
1968 Chevy C-10 Short Bed PRO-STREET 500+CI BBC
1991 Honda CRX-SI (Black Also)
2002 John Deere Gator Diesel 6X6
2003 Limited edition Cannondale Cannibal- With colors that woulnt run, RED, WHITE and BLUE #0000016
Multiple 1969 Camaro Convertible Indy Pace Cars (one Documented Festival Car)
1-1972 El Camino SS (Pro Touring) Under construction.
One concern for me for any towing vehcile is lift kits and large tires. That being said, your planning on pulling a flat deck so that's in your favor. My other concern is does your receiver have enough load rating to carry approx 1500lbs TW without WD?
Your about 5500lbs empty on the trailer, load weight approx 1200lbs so about 7000lbsGVW or 1400# to 1500# TW on a typical GN.
I would put my load weight centered over my trailer axles, no forward weight as you'll have enough TW to pull smoothly so I would want a neutral load weight.
As with any new trailer or load weight to me, I make them all prove there stability on my rig. In over 40yrs of pulling load weight, I found most bad loads first react severely at 25mph then again at 45mph, so what I do is work up my speed in 5mph incerments until the trailer proves it's self stable at my desired running speed plus 10mph.
If a trailer will pull smooth using the above method, then I feel good at pulling at my desired speed.
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Towing a gooseneck trailer with a bumper-pull receiver may be do-able, but it's certainly not smart. Here's what I would probably do.
Buy a car dolly. An old beat-up one is fine, as long as it's in good mechanical condition. Take it to a welding shop and have the shop fabricate a gooseneck hitch plate and ball on a frame that will bolt onto the dolly. Over-engineer the sucker, so it's hell for strong. Bolt it instead of welding it to the dolly, so when you get home you can unbolt it and sell the dolly.
Buy a receiver with the right drop to make the dolly level with the world when hooked up.
Load the other trailer and the toys on the gooseneck trailer. Then hook up your trailer to your dolly and head east.
Hey Smokey,
Thanks for that idea, I hadnt thought of that, I have seen in Tx. either on I-30 or I-20 a trailer place (wasnt Big-tex though) that had tandem axle dollies with the post and 2-5/16 ball weld at the base and thought that was a great idea, but havent found them again since, I even checked with PJ's about a year ago and the didnt offer one as of then.
I got a great shop here in Covina, Ca. (Chassis by Aaron) that can make the needed mods to the dolly. So im off to Craigslist to find a used car dolly. Thanks again, I will let you know how it turns out.
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2003 BLACK F-350 XLT Sport,Crew Cab,FX4,ESOF-4X4 LB,Daullie 6.0 w/ 5 spd auto, moonroof, 4:10 limited slip, Back up sensors Daul Alternators,AIC. Line-X,B&W Turnover ball.
Prodigy brake controller.
2003 BLACK Excursion Limited 7.3 w/DVD entertainment center, rear captians chairs, 3.73 limited slip.
1999 F-250 SC,7.3 lariat 4X2
1968 Chevy C-10 Short Bed PRO-STREET 500+CI BBC
1991 Honda CRX-SI (Black Also)
2002 John Deere Gator Diesel 6X6
2003 Limited edition Cannondale Cannibal- With colors that woulnt run, RED, WHITE and BLUE #0000016
Multiple 1969 Camaro Convertible Indy Pace Cars (one Documented Festival Car)
1-1972 El Camino SS (Pro Touring) Under construction.
Here's a new purpose-built single-axle gooseneck/5er dolly: Bics Fifth Wheel Hitchs, Columbia Falls Montana
So it's not a new idea. I think I've seen similar dollies advertised in Trailer Life or some such RV mag.
And here's one of the tandam-axle jobbies you probably saw: Gooseneck Dolly
I'm not positive on how to handle the trailer brakes. I'd probably hook up the gooseneck trailer brakes to the X, and not have brakes on the dolly. You may need to make a pigtail to make the gooseneck wiring plug reach the trailer plug on the X.
My daughter & family just moved to Knoxville last week. She's moving into a new house on Shady Meadow Lane in a new development. We'll be driving to Knoxville in August to see her and the grandkids and SIL.
If you go from Covina to Knoxville via I-10 to I-20 to I-30 to I-40, you'll pass within 4 miles of my place. If you and your crew would like to stop in for steak and 'taters and maybe something to drink, let me know.
Last edited by SmokeyWren : 07-17-2008 at 11:18 AM.
Thank you for the offer, and I will let you know what our plan of attack is. As of now, we will be here for atleast another week or so.
Have another question for you, Most all the tow dollies thats are listed here for sale have a max weight of vehicle to be towed is 3500-4500 pounds. Do you think this is going to be an issue? I just wonder if the tounge on the dolly is going to be to thin. Let me know your thoughts, as I have found atleast 10 dollies for sale within 30 miles of my current location.
Thanks again.
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2003 BLACK F-350 XLT Sport,Crew Cab,FX4,ESOF-4X4 LB,Daullie 6.0 w/ 5 spd auto, moonroof, 4:10 limited slip, Back up sensors Daul Alternators,AIC. Line-X,B&W Turnover ball.
Prodigy brake controller.
2003 BLACK Excursion Limited 7.3 w/DVD entertainment center, rear captians chairs, 3.73 limited slip.
1999 F-250 SC,7.3 lariat 4X2
1968 Chevy C-10 Short Bed PRO-STREET 500+CI BBC
1991 Honda CRX-SI (Black Also)
2002 John Deere Gator Diesel 6X6
2003 Limited edition Cannondale Cannibal- With colors that woulnt run, RED, WHITE and BLUE #0000016
Multiple 1969 Camaro Convertible Indy Pace Cars (one Documented Festival Car)
1-1972 El Camino SS (Pro Touring) Under construction.
Here is another idea I had, you can buy 16' car trailers out here with tandem 3500lbs axle for between $1200.00 and $1500.00 I thought about buying one of those and then adding 1 of the gooseneck plates that bolt or weld onto these flat beds that alot of the ranch owners have. It where the gooseneck ball flips over and stores on the underside. If I cood get the plate over the axle it would be the same as that gooseneck dolly in that one picture you posted, but would be a full size trailer. Any thoughts on this?
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2003 BLACK F-350 XLT Sport,Crew Cab,FX4,ESOF-4X4 LB,Daullie 6.0 w/ 5 spd auto, moonroof, 4:10 limited slip, Back up sensors Daul Alternators,AIC. Line-X,B&W Turnover ball.
Prodigy brake controller.
2003 BLACK Excursion Limited 7.3 w/DVD entertainment center, rear captians chairs, 3.73 limited slip.
1999 F-250 SC,7.3 lariat 4X2
1968 Chevy C-10 Short Bed PRO-STREET 500+CI BBC
1991 Honda CRX-SI (Black Also)
2002 John Deere Gator Diesel 6X6
2003 Limited edition Cannondale Cannibal- With colors that woulnt run, RED, WHITE and BLUE #0000016
Multiple 1969 Camaro Convertible Indy Pace Cars (one Documented Festival Car)
1-1972 El Camino SS (Pro Touring) Under construction.
Here is another idea I had, you can buy 16' car trailers out here with tandem 3500lbs axle for between $1200.00 and $1500.00 I thought about buying one of those and then adding 1 of the gooseneck plates that bolt or weld onto these flat beds that alot of the ranch owners have. It where the gooseneck ball flips over and stores on the underside. If I cood get the plate over the axle it would be the same as that gooseneck dolly in that one picture you posted, but would be a full size trailer. Any thoughts on this?
Would this qualify as towing "doubles"? I know in some states you can tow recreationally a 5er & then a tag, but usually the 1st tow HAS to be either a fifth wheel or goose neck.
With the trailer being a tag off the bumper, will LEOs look at this as two tags?? Might query the local CHP.
OMC
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Most all the tow dollies thats are listed here for sale have a max weight of vehicle to be towed is 3500-4500 pounds. Do you think this is going to be an issue?
Might be.
Be certain you inspect and pack the dolly wheel bearings before you head east.
Be certain the dolly tires are rated for the max hitch weight you might have.
Be sure the dolly has a 2" ball and not one of those dinky little balls.
Accelerate gently and try very hard to never have a panic stop.
And good luck.
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OMC,
yes that would be classified as double tags, Alot of states allow double tags, and I was told that if your drivers lic. is from a state that allows double tag-a-long towing that most states that dont allow it will honnor your states guidelines. Please do not take that as gospel, but so far I have not had any issues, and I did talk with a CHP last weekend about this very setup at the agg station on I-10 at the Ca./Az. crossing when I was being inspected for the zebra musscles.
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2003 BLACK F-350 XLT Sport,Crew Cab,FX4,ESOF-4X4 LB,Daullie 6.0 w/ 5 spd auto, moonroof, 4:10 limited slip, Back up sensors Daul Alternators,AIC. Line-X,B&W Turnover ball.
Prodigy brake controller.
2003 BLACK Excursion Limited 7.3 w/DVD entertainment center, rear captians chairs, 3.73 limited slip.
1999 F-250 SC,7.3 lariat 4X2
1968 Chevy C-10 Short Bed PRO-STREET 500+CI BBC
1991 Honda CRX-SI (Black Also)
2002 John Deere Gator Diesel 6X6
2003 Limited edition Cannondale Cannibal- With colors that woulnt run, RED, WHITE and BLUE #0000016
Multiple 1969 Camaro Convertible Indy Pace Cars (one Documented Festival Car)
1-1972 El Camino SS (Pro Touring) Under construction.
Here is another idea I had, you can buy 16' car trailers out here with tandem 3500lbs axle for between $1200.00 and $1500.00 I thought about buying one of those and then adding 1 of the gooseneck plates that bolt or weld onto these flat beds that alot of the ranch owners have. It where the gooseneck ball flips over and stores on the underside. If I cood get the plate over the axle it would be the same as that gooseneck dolly in that one picture you posted, but would be a full size trailer. Any thoughts on this?
Sounds like a better idea than converting a car dolly, provided you're willing to get rid of a few feet of length of the converted dolly trailer. Be certain the center of the ball is in front of the center of the tandam axles. I'd put it around 4" in front of the center point between the two axles.
Then you'll probably have to chop off some of the rear of the dolly trailer. The ball in the back of a pickup is located less than 4' from the rear bumper. If you make it more than that, the back corner of the pickup will hit the trailer every time you make a sharp turn. On my 16" tandam-axle utility trailer, it's about 7' from the back of the trailer to the center of the tandam axles, so I'd need to chop about 3' off the back of that trailer to use it the way you describe.
Simply putting a plate in the bed of the trailer probably is not good enough. Extend the gooseneck hitch to its lowest position, then be sure the floor of the gooseneck trailer is level front to rear. Then measure the height of the connection where the ball needs to be. You'll probably have to add a junk-iron frame in the bed of the trailer to get it up high enough to make the gooseneck trailer level when connected to your dolly.
If you make it to the CA border your home free. But if you do get stopped its probobly getting impounded.
And the CA honoring your home states regs is bunk. when In california you play by their rules or dont play at all.
That combo would be easy pickings to a CHiPpy.
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Daulie,
I am here in SoCal now, even talked with a famale CHP at the agg station at the az/ca state line and she had made no referance or comments about my set up.
Its the same in Va. who have the toughest driving laws in the country, and by the regulations posted on there DOT's website double of no kind are allowed. But last year me and family wet to the Canadian side of Niagra Fall's and I called Va. DOT offices and they told me since I was from Tn. (which allowed doubles) they had no problem with me passing through Va. whith my setup. That set up was my F350-5th wheel travle trailer and wifes Acura on tandem car trailer.
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2003 BLACK F-350 XLT Sport,Crew Cab,FX4,ESOF-4X4 LB,Daullie 6.0 w/ 5 spd auto, moonroof, 4:10 limited slip, Back up sensors Daul Alternators,AIC. Line-X,B&W Turnover ball.
Prodigy brake controller.
2003 BLACK Excursion Limited 7.3 w/DVD entertainment center, rear captians chairs, 3.73 limited slip.
1999 F-250 SC,7.3 lariat 4X2
1968 Chevy C-10 Short Bed PRO-STREET 500+CI BBC
1991 Honda CRX-SI (Black Also)
2002 John Deere Gator Diesel 6X6
2003 Limited edition Cannondale Cannibal- With colors that woulnt run, RED, WHITE and BLUE #0000016
Multiple 1969 Camaro Convertible Indy Pace Cars (one Documented Festival Car)
1-1972 El Camino SS (Pro Touring) Under construction.
Daulie,
I am here in SoCal now, even talked with a famale CHP at the agg station at the az/ca state line and she had made no referance or comments about my set up.
Its the same in Va. who have the toughest driving laws in the country, and by the regulations posted on there DOT's website double of no kind are allowed. But last year me and family wet to the Canadian side of Niagra Fall's and I called Va. DOT offices and they told me since I was from Tn. (which allowed doubles) they had no problem with me passing through Va. whith my setup. That set up was my F350-5th wheel travle trailer and wifes Acura on tandem car trailer.
IF that was truely the case then why can you not tow triples in california if your from oregon or nevada where they allow it?
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1994 7.3 I.D.I. Navistar 444 CI
ATS Factory TURBO E4OD Red On white Crew Cab DRW 4:10 w/ AUBURN LIMITED SLIP
3" ATS Exhaust and turbo housing, Banks Trans Command, calibrated pump, K&N filter, Gruss style coolant filter, 203K+MI not a lick of trouble with the motor. now on 16th trans. 10 under factory 100K mile warranty
Alpine CVA-7878 XM radio 6cd changer 3 8" phoenix gold subs 75x4 Sony mobile ES gold 4ch amp, Sony 500W 1ch amp MB quart components in Q forms kick panels. 1 farad cap.
Pro car parts jewel cut headlamps and turn signals
APC clear cab markers, suvlights.com harness silverstar bulbs and L.E.D.'s in the fenders. IT's paid for and its MINE!
Family Toys and tools,
00'F350 psd CC Drw 2wd Bright Amber Western Hauler
SOLD 01' Peterbilt 330 4Dr. Texas trucks conversion cAt 350hp
02' Psd Excursion Limited ultimate Estate Green helliwig swaybar 101K miles
1996 fetherlite 4 horse GN, 2003 sooner 6 horse GN with midtack
Tripples? the only time I have ever seen triples (aka-wiggle wagons) was in Ohio and I think I saw them while in Utah a while back. But of course those were tractor trailers pulling the small 24' pub trailers.
I would think the reasons they dont allow it is do to the over all length? And if states would make there decision on driving experiance, condition of tow vehicle and the trailers being towed, and driver showing the knowledge of know how to handle and mantian the unit they tow, I would say it would be a possibility, But I think 90% of the current drivers who tow now, think that those of use who tow doubles think were crazy anyways. so its easier to say no to tripples since a large majority of the towing people wouldnt even atempt it.
Its all in ones frame of mind, when I go to my car shows I also get alot of comments when towing my 48' enclosed trailer, Like, how do you tow something so big? and how do you back it up, where do you park that thing?
In my opiniion it what one is comfterble with.
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2003 BLACK F-350 XLT Sport,Crew Cab,FX4,ESOF-4X4 LB,Daullie 6.0 w/ 5 spd auto, moonroof, 4:10 limited slip, Back up sensors Daul Alternators,AIC. Line-X,B&W Turnover ball.
Prodigy brake controller.
2003 BLACK Excursion Limited 7.3 w/DVD entertainment center, rear captians chairs, 3.73 limited slip.
1999 F-250 SC,7.3 lariat 4X2
1968 Chevy C-10 Short Bed PRO-STREET 500+CI BBC
1991 Honda CRX-SI (Black Also)
2002 John Deere Gator Diesel 6X6
2003 Limited edition Cannondale Cannibal- With colors that woulnt run, RED, WHITE and BLUE #0000016
Multiple 1969 Camaro Convertible Indy Pace Cars (one Documented Festival Car)
1-1972 El Camino SS (Pro Touring) Under construction.
Thanks again, I will let you know how it turns out.
