v10 or 6.4l towing #10k - Diesel Forum

wolfe14785 · 02-22-2007, 05:27 PM

I just ordered 08 Fx4 6.4l cc sb, having second thoughts about diesel. My trailer is a toyhauler tt #1600 tounge and about 10k full without toys in it, I only put about 500 to 800 miles a trip and about 6 to 9 trips a year with the tt and 3 or 4 trips a year with a snowmobile trailer. How well do the v10's pull with trailers this size, I know it will be less power than I have know, I would hate to order a gasser $40k truck and be pissed about lack of power, I also am a bit nervous about the 6.4l, anyone with v10 experience please chime in. Thanks

firesoutmatt · 02-22-2007, 07:44 PM

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I just ordered 08 Fx4 6.4l cc sb, having second thoughts about diesel. My trailer is a toyhauler tt #1600 tounge and about 10k full without toys in it, I only put about 500 to 800 miles a trip and about 6 to 9 trips a year with the tt and 3 or 4 trips a year with a snowmobile trailer. How well do the v10's pull with trailers this size, I know it will be less power than I have know, I would hate to order a gasser $40k truck and be pissed about lack of power, I also am a bit nervous about the 6.4l, anyone with v10 experience please chime in. Thanks

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Don't look back . Night and day differance . More money up front but will save you money in the long run.

I know of two guys I work with and I borrowed his truck once to pull my trailer and oh my god . I will never tow with a v10 again. It may be because i'm used to a PSD but wow what a differance.

00PSD1 · 02-22-2007, 09:59 PM

I would stay with the 6.4 diesel you will get better MPG, more power and should be more reliable then the V10.

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Andrew

Mr_Roboto · 02-23-2007, 12:17 PM

I think it's too early to call "reliability" on the 6.4L. It's still an unknown.

tsaelens · 02-23-2007, 12:22 PM

Your definitely going to get answers on boths sides here. IMHO it comes down to you. For the majority of us a diesel won't pay off so justifying it by saying it's saving you money doesn't work. Unless you tow 20K miles a year or keep your truck for 15 years, you won't make money over a gasser when you trade. I know, I do our books and we have my diesel a v10 in a reg cab and a 5.4 in a E350 and the opporating costs per mile are pretty similar every year. And for the most part they all tow the same trailers, and actually the V10 gets the heaviest loads. The only thing I'll add is if you spend a lot of time towing in the mountains then the diesel will be a might fine comfort, for midwest towing the V10 can get it done.

If you are thinking about a V10 get the 4.30 rearend, mileage won't suffer that much and towing you will be much happier. And anyone who is willing to bet that a new 6.4 is going to be more reliable than a v10 isn't going to get rich in Vegas. I'm not saying that the 6.4 will be a 6.0 lemon but there are bound to be bugs they can be offly frustrating especially with the 5er in tow half way to your destination.

I personally would never buy a brand new Diesel, but it sure seems like a buyers market on the used side right now and would buy a used one. Seems like there are plenty of nice trucks selling really cheap. Of course that means I can't get squat for mine right now either.

Trinity

00PSD1 · 02-23-2007, 04:29 PM

I would hope that with all the problems with the 6.0s that Ford/international would have worked out all the bugs in the 6.4. I however also would not buy a new truck you end up way to backwards on it. When is your new truck arriving? Do you still have your F250?

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Andrew

wolfe14785 · 02-23-2007, 05:25 PM

I ordered it on tuesday but the dealer has someone come in once a week and do all there ordering, they don't teach any of there salesmen how to do it? So I have not gotten an actual write up of the truck yet, and yes I still have my f250 its been a great truck but with my growing family I want a cc and the "reliability" of a new truck, plus the legal issues of my f250 at 10,400# hooked up to my trailer when its rated 8,800#. I almost hope it takes 2 months to get my truck so if something bad shows up in the 6.4l I can just say no thanks.

Mr_Roboto · 02-23-2007, 08:06 PM

I hate to say it but at least the gasser reliability has been proven.

If I NEEDED to buy right away, and I couldn't wait to see the reliability of the new diesel, I'd have to go with the gasser.

00PSD1 · 02-23-2007, 08:28 PM

Going north

Why don't you get a 7.3 F350 CC lb? Then you will have the reliable and proven engine in a good truck. Then you can save yourself on the payments or the big price tag. You could used some of the money for some mild mods that would make towing a lot easier like gauges, exhaust, intake and a chip, transmission valve body etc.

Those are just my thoughts,
Andrew

sandfun · 02-23-2007, 10:58 PM

what oopsd1 said....the v10 with that weight would net you about 8 miles to a gallon....and as said the 7.3 is proven....but i think also that the later years 6.o were really good as well.......i will never tow with gas again.......never

00PSD1 · 02-24-2007, 12:06 AM

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what oopsd1 said....the v10 with that weight would net you about 8 miles to a gallon....and as said the 7.3 is proven....but i think also that the later years 6.o were really good as well.......i will never tow with gas again.......never

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I had a friend from Utah he had a F 250 regular cab 4x4 with the v10 and got 7 mpg. After buying my first diesel truck a few years ago their is no way I would ever go back to a gas powered truck. I would get a 7.3L do the mods mentioned in above post, save a lot of money and have one nice tow rig.

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Andrew

Mr_Roboto · 02-24-2007, 10:58 AM

I also would go with a used 7.3 truck if that were an option.

If only limited to NEW trucks, you can buy a whole lot of gas for the difference in price between the gasser and diesel. I love diesels, but even I am considering whether it is the best choice with the current fuel price situation.

william_04_X · 02-24-2007, 12:56 PM

stay with the diesel...you're trips are long enough so that economy will make up for the higher cost of diesel fuel..if you have any kind of terrain where you tow then the diesels power is where it's at..

my T/H is about the same # as yours..when you load up the toys and H2O you're getting pretty heavy..

i'm an optimist as far as the 6.4....i think the new motor's going to be solid....it seems they've intelligently addressed the most common concerns and problems of the 6.0..

have fun with the trailer..Toy Haulers are man's greatest achievement.. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif[/img]

JimTJr · 02-24-2007, 07:38 PM

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If I NEEDED to buy right away, and I couldn't wait to see the reliability of the new diesel, I'd have to go with the gasser.

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stay with the diesel...you're trips are long enough so that economy will make up for the higher cost of diesel fuel..if you have any kind of terrain where you tow then the diesels power is where it's at..

my T/H is about the same # as yours..when you load up the toys and H2O you're getting pretty heavy..

i'm an optimist as far as the 6.4....i think the new motor's going to be solid....it seems they've intelligently addressed the most common concerns and problems of the 6.0..

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tsaelens · 02-26-2007, 12:27 PM

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stay with the diesel...you're trips are long enough so that economy will make up for the higher cost of diesel fuel

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Barely. By his addmission the most he tows is about 7200 miles per year. Using the numbers from 2006 for our 7.3 and our V10 we averaged 10.2 mpg towing with the Diesel and 7.9 towing with the V10. A $200 savings, add in the difference of one oil and fuel filter change and your down to $150. For what it's worth the overall average for these trucks is 14.3 for the diesel and 11.5 for the gasser, that's towing and empty.

Trinity