I'm thinking of trailering my boat from Mass to the Florida keys next winter. I have the trailer registered for 4000lbs. GVW tandem axel, the GVW on the trailer tag is 4200lbs. and does not have or ever had any breaks, What can I exepct travelling through all the states I will on the way. The trailer will be just under the 4000lbs registered GVW fully loaded, do I need brakes on this set up because its so light? (the commercial plates on my truck is another, story all together) It will be my truck towing my boat what should I expect. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smokin.gif[/img]
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I don't know all the state laws but generally anything over 2500 lb. GVWR is required to have brakes. ** Just went and did a little homework @ roadmasterinc.com , use thier internal search window and type in "brake laws" to get a state by state listing of the specific brake requirements. You'll be thrilled when you see how consistent the requirements are amongst various states. Ha Ha. -- Perry.
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Thats what I was afraid of, I can't find my RMV regs there website has to much stuff on it. I just put new axels and springs on it too, and never even thought to put breaks on it. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img]
__________________ 1996 F-350 4X4 SRW w/285/75R-16, 3.55 Loaded, AC,Ford AIC Diamond Eye 3" downpipe, Warpspeed 4" exhaust. Tony Wildman two position chip with Tow/Race. Autometer Phantom's Trans/Boost/Pyro New JASPER E40D w/AMSOIL TORQUE DRIVE ATF AMSOIL Series 2000 75w-90, gear oil in diffs, AMSOIL 15W-40 Heavy duty with AMSOIL DUAL BYPASS FILTERS, Stanadyne Performance, Napa coolant, Napa coolant filter(with SCA)4071, Open air intake keyless entry mod, tank mod, and pedal mod(big gain). Marinco block heater plug. Alpine 9811 with Kenwood six disk changer in back of seat and Poineer three way speakers .
Thanks for the link I'll check it out yeah ha ha lol nothing is ever easy. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smokin.gif[/img] ***???!!! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif[/img] I just looked at the list of states and for the first time in my life Mass(10kGVW and up needs brakes) was the only one on the east coast I'm leagal in!!!??? [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shrug.gif[/img] Holy ##$#$% I'll just drive it and play the dumb yankee that I'm so good at playing, if I get pulled over, How many times could I possibly get ticketed in 24 hours???? lol oh my aching head [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smokin.gif[/img]
__________________ 1996 F-350 4X4 SRW w/285/75R-16, 3.55 Loaded, AC,Ford AIC Diamond Eye 3" downpipe, Warpspeed 4" exhaust. Tony Wildman two position chip with Tow/Race. Autometer Phantom's Trans/Boost/Pyro New JASPER E40D w/AMSOIL TORQUE DRIVE ATF AMSOIL Series 2000 75w-90, gear oil in diffs, AMSOIL 15W-40 Heavy duty with AMSOIL DUAL BYPASS FILTERS, Stanadyne Performance, Napa coolant, Napa coolant filter(with SCA)4071, Open air intake keyless entry mod, tank mod, and pedal mod(big gain). Marinco block heater plug. Alpine 9811 with Kenwood six disk changer in back of seat and Poineer three way speakers .
I agree that brakes would be nice but they often aren't practical on a boat trailer. The salt water causes them to fail pretty quickly. Most boat trailers of the size that you are discussing do not have brakes. You should be careful about the law, especially in case you are in an accident, but they may not be practical.
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I am pretty sure that it is the state that you are in, not the state that you are from, whose laws that you need to comply with. Pretty much - that means brakes to meet the most restrictive requirement that you will pass through. It's a light load, if you are not in the mountians, surge brakes will be fine. Get brakes on all wheels - many states will require that.
With a Super Duty - you would be fine without brakes (IMHO), except for the law, and if there was an accident and an investigation. I'd get them for the protection from the legal risks - as brakes are required in the most of the states you will pass thru to get to FL.
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Many small boats, shopping for a BIG boat on a trailer...
No one is going to bother you about having brakes on both axles with a boat that small. Just put disc brakes on the front axle and it will be fine. If you do end up with brakes on both axles, still get the disc brakes. They are better that the drum brakes in every way. Worth the extra upfront cost.
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I hear ya I would need to replace the brand new axel to get one with backing plates on it any way. I have NEVER seen brakes on a boat trailer here in my life they would not last a year! and if I do, do something it will be disk, this is the first time I am suprrised by Mass law. This state is so liberal (sickening taxes and regulations)I thought for sure we had tight trailering laws and I would be all set elsewhere,well I'm wrong Mass is one the the loosest one on the east coast. 10000lbs and under, NO brakes, hence why I have never seen any. boy did I get and eye opener, sad thing is if I thought the truck/trailer needed them I would get them but at doesn't even feel the 3500lbs or so back ther and stops with ease [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shrug.gif[/img] If if didn't I would have brakes on it.
__________________ 1996 F-350 4X4 SRW w/285/75R-16, 3.55 Loaded, AC,Ford AIC Diamond Eye 3" downpipe, Warpspeed 4" exhaust. Tony Wildman two position chip with Tow/Race. Autometer Phantom's Trans/Boost/Pyro New JASPER E40D w/AMSOIL TORQUE DRIVE ATF AMSOIL Series 2000 75w-90, gear oil in diffs, AMSOIL 15W-40 Heavy duty with AMSOIL DUAL BYPASS FILTERS, Stanadyne Performance, Napa coolant, Napa coolant filter(with SCA)4071, Open air intake keyless entry mod, tank mod, and pedal mod(big gain). Marinco block heater plug. Alpine 9811 with Kenwood six disk changer in back of seat and Poineer three way speakers .
YankeeDiesel: I feel that you are right about the brakes at 3-4klbs - not really needed by a careful driver with a PSD. The problem is the law - it is the same for a minicar towing as a PSD. The real problems are legal, no brakes and one axle brakes won't keep you out of trouble - tickets, or God forbid, a negligence charge in an accident. For protection from these problems - you will need brakes.
I am surprised that the axles cannot have backing plates added. For a long interstate trip, no brakes is too much legal risk for me!
If you want scary - I was talking to a professional boat hauler the other day. Boat trailer brakes often don't work. Scary, they tow heavy (8-10klbs) boats over the Eisenhower grade (Rocky Mtns) all the time up to Dillon lake - no brakes. The downgrade after the tunnel is a killer. Yikes! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif[/img]
Best o' Luck,
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New college grad in my 50's - BS Computer Science; Regis University 2008 for Jesuit Universities!
'01 F350 PSD 4x4 CC SRW LB auto, 75k Mi
ISSPRO gauges, Hella Micro FF Fog Lights
Repairs: fuel filter gasket (3k mi), brake pull, Several GPRs , airbag, CPS, Auto-mechdiode-breakdown-trans (55k mi); High Presure Oil Pump Replaced (59kmi), Starter Solenoid (76kmi).
Also:
'95 Jeep Cherokee, 5" lift, 33" tires, dual ARB lockers, Warn winch, etc. 106kMi
'65 Corvette, 327, 365 HP, Red Convertible
Admirals's 2005 semi-Toyota-ly reliable Sienna - little stuff breaks on newer Toys but does not stop the car. Lotsa Door trim falls off.
Many small boats, shopping for a BIG boat on a trailer...
Yup fender bender would turn in to a lawsuit quick with no brakes. I did some looking and it would be easier for me to buy a new trailer than to do anything with this one, I could add backing plates but then I need new hubs and rims to match cause my rims have a funny four bolt pattern, so far I can't find a disk brake retofit kit, the only stuff I'm finding is replacement parts. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shrug.gif[/img] good links above I got plenty of reading out of it. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smokin.gif[/img]
__________________ 1996 F-350 4X4 SRW w/285/75R-16, 3.55 Loaded, AC,Ford AIC Diamond Eye 3" downpipe, Warpspeed 4" exhaust. Tony Wildman two position chip with Tow/Race. Autometer Phantom's Trans/Boost/Pyro New JASPER E40D w/AMSOIL TORQUE DRIVE ATF AMSOIL Series 2000 75w-90, gear oil in diffs, AMSOIL 15W-40 Heavy duty with AMSOIL DUAL BYPASS FILTERS, Stanadyne Performance, Napa coolant, Napa coolant filter(with SCA)4071, Open air intake keyless entry mod, tank mod, and pedal mod(big gain). Marinco block heater plug. Alpine 9811 with Kenwood six disk changer in back of seat and Poineer three way speakers .
You can buy new Dexter 3500lb electric brake alxes for about $220/axle. There forward self adjusting to boot. Just unplug the cord before loading/launch and serivce them once a year should keep them in working order.
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Cool I'll check those out [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif[/img]
__________________ 1996 F-350 4X4 SRW w/285/75R-16, 3.55 Loaded, AC,Ford AIC Diamond Eye 3" downpipe, Warpspeed 4" exhaust. Tony Wildman two position chip with Tow/Race. Autometer Phantom's Trans/Boost/Pyro New JASPER E40D w/AMSOIL TORQUE DRIVE ATF AMSOIL Series 2000 75w-90, gear oil in diffs, AMSOIL 15W-40 Heavy duty with AMSOIL DUAL BYPASS FILTERS, Stanadyne Performance, Napa coolant, Napa coolant filter(with SCA)4071, Open air intake keyless entry mod, tank mod, and pedal mod(big gain). Marinco block heater plug. Alpine 9811 with Kenwood six disk changer in back of seat and Poineer three way speakers .
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