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Old 02-10-2008, 04:25 PM   #1 (permalink)
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What is my Max 5th wheel pin weight?

We want to move up from a TT to a 5th wheel, so this week I purchased the following:
F350, CC, PSD, 4X4, LWB Dulley w/ 4:10 gears.

What is my Max Pin Weight?

Could you suggest some models of 5th wheels to search?

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Load up you and your wife and go fuel up. Then go to a scale (about $7). Look at the GVWR on the door jamb and take the difference. That's your pin weight. Every time you add something to the truck (tool box, junk, options) go do it again.

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I can highly recommend the Jayco Eagle series. I did a lot of searching and researching before I bought mine and found the Eagle to have the most bang for the buck. There are a lot nicer units out there but some are quite expensive. I finally decided on the Eagle 291RLTS. It is 35 ft long and has a pin wieght of 2400 and my 350 SRW handles it great.

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The Montana 5th Wheels Are Very Nice............

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We want to move up from a TT to a 5th wheel, so this week I purchased the following:
F350, CC, PSD, 4X4, LWB Dulley w/ 4:10 gears.

What is my Max Pin Weight?

Could you suggest some models of 5th wheels to search?

Thanks
I think that based on your truck's configuration, the heaviest 5th wheel that you can safely tow is 15,600 lbs. The GVWR of any 5th wheel that you get can be no more than 15.6k. The pin weight of such a trailer is about 15-25% of the trailers' total weight......................err on the high side and say 25% of 15,600 or 3,900 lbs. The payload of the truck is around 5,200 lbs, give or take. Now the kicker is----------you, your wife, tool boxes, gear, fuel, and any other junk counts against that 5,200 lbs as does the pin weight of your trailer. When you take the truck/5th wheel combo to be weighed, you wanna be sure that it is within both axle weight ratings for your truck, or 6k and 9k, respectively.

I can say this much to you........................get you a 5th wheel that has a GVWR of 14,500 lbs or less and your truck will pull it beautifully, pull it safely, stop it safely, and give you a wonderful little cushion to play with.

Hope that helps you a little more,

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... this week I purchased the following:
F350, CC, PSD, 4X4, LWB Dulley w/ 4:10 gears.

What is my Max Pin Weight?
Year matters. But assuming it is the 2006 in your sig, then your GCWR is 23,500 pounds and your GVWR is 13,000 pounds.

Your wet and loaded tow vehicle should weigh about 9,000 pounds unless you haul gobs of tools and junk in the pickup toolbox. So that leaves about 4,000 pounds for pin weight without exceeding the GVWR.

And a GCWR of 23,500 minus 9,000 for the tow vehicle leaves 14,500 pounds as the max weight of the trailer without exceeding the GCWR of the tow vehicle.

To verify those numbers, you need to load the tow vehicle up with mama and the kiddos, go to a truckstop and fill up with diesel. then weigh the wet and loaded tow vehicle. If it doesn't weigh about 9,000 pounds, then adjust all the numbers above accordingly. For example, if your wet and loaded tow vehicle grosses 10,000 pounds (and some do!) then the max trailer weight falls to 13,500.

A 5er that grosses 14,500 will probably have about 18 to 20 percent pin weight. But even it it's more, that's a lot less than 4,000 pounds. So gross trailer weight - not pin weight - is your limiter.

Don't try to guess how much junk your sweetheart will haul in the trailer. Instead, go by the GVWR of the trailer. Don't even consider any trailer with a GVWR of more than 14,500 pounds.

Some RVs don't mention GVWR. Instead the specs include dry weight and max cargo weight. Add those two together and that's the GVWR of the trailer.
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Thanks to all for the replies. When you ask a question on this forum I become amazed at the quality of information and support from the memebers

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The other item to check out is what limits may exist on your drivers licence. In most states, if your trailer axle weight (the towing weight) exceeds 10,400 lbs, you may need a licence upgrade. In some states that can be a real pain as the only alternative they offer may be a commercial licence (CDL). So check your DMV.

MY "Rule of thumb"... if the trailer GVWR is under 12,500 then the axle weight will be low enough that you should be ok. If the GVWR is over 13,000 lbs then the axle weight almost certainly will be over 10,400 and you will need a licence upgrade. If your trailer GVWR is over 12,000. then get it weighed to be sure.
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I think most states exempt recreational vehicles although I have no idea why.

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I think most states exempt recreational vehicles although I have no idea why.

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If you check with your DMV, I think that you will find that this is not correct.
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If you check with your DMV, I think that you will find that this is not correct.
Here's what the Texas DPS sais about this.

See page 2 in the link.

Part 383 - Commercial Driver License

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Here's what the Texas DPS sais about this.

See page 2 in the link.

Part 383 - Commercial Driver License

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Of course the TX Commercial Driver's Handbook actually states:
'A recreational vehicle that is driven for personal use.'

Which conflicts with:
'Persons operating recreational vehicles for personal use.'
as stated in the txdps publications referenced above. Oh, well...

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To investigate what your licence allows, I suggest that you start by looking at the standard DL. If you start looking at CDL you will find all kinds of confusion as applied to recreational vehicles.

For example, If you have a Texas DL, do you have a Class A, B or C licence? CLass C is the 'normal' DL

The class C is limited to GCWR under 26001 lbs and trailer not exceeding 10,000 gross weight.

Class A & B allow heavier GVWR and over 10,000 trailer weight.

Source is Texas DRIVERS HANDBOOK Pages 1-4 and 1-5

It may be different for your state, and the licence names may be different, but the example is typical.
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And a GCWR of 23,500 minus 9,000 for the tow vehicle leaves 14,500 pounds as the max weight of the trailer without exceeding the GCWR of the tow vehicle.


Let me see if I can get this straight, What you are saying here is he can tow up to 14,500 Lbs.ACTUAL weight ????, if he goes to a scale and weighs that trailer and it weighs 14,500 or less everything is good ???? if that is what you are saying, then what is GVWR, ???? if a trailer actually weighs 12,000 Lbs. with a GVWR of 15,500 Lbs. What if you are pulling around a trailer dry that weighs an actual 12,000 Lbs.with a sticker that has 15,500 lbs. GVWR, are you legally over the rated weigh of 14,500. I guess what I am asking is what the heck can the truck in question tow in real live lbs.,and also who cares about the GVWR of a trailer other than the total that trailer can handle, correct me if I am wrong 12,000 lb. trailer 15,500 GVWR, you can add up to 3,500 lbs. to the trailer, Please set me straight. Thanks
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