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Old 01-02-2008, 12:13 PM   #1 (permalink)
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What ratings should I pay attention to?

I'm considering getting a sled deck for my truck to carry two snowmobiles rather than tow a 2 place trailer behind the truck.

What I'm concerned with is the weight ratings, and hauling capacity. I'm looking at roughly 1500lbs just for the sleds and the deck on the back of the truck.

When I weighed the truck last year at the dump, it came in around 7600lbs with a 1/4 tank of fuel. If I rememeber correctly, their is an 8800lb rating on the door of the truck.

What ratings do I need to pay close attention to on the door frame to make sure I wouldn't be exceeding the capacity of my truck? Apparently the police around here are targeting overloaded pickups lately, and I don't need the hassle.

My gut feel is that I'm going to exceed the rated capacity of the truck. After reading the Ford Towing guide for 02, it shows a capacity of 1032lbs cargo capacity for the Diesel. Am I on the right track here?

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Old 01-02-2008, 01:50 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Re: What ratings should I pay attention to?

Do what every you want. There are slide in campers out there that weigh over 4K.

Mine is one of them. Weighs close to 4200. It rides in the back of my F-250.

You will be fine.
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Re: What ratings should I pay attention to?

Gross Axle Rate Weighting.
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Re: What ratings should I pay attention to?

I realize the truck can handle the load, but is it legal according to the law?

I also misread the towing guide, it shows the cargo load at 1699lbs.

I am assuming that once I exceed the GVW hauling, I am illegal. The same would go if I was over the front or rear axle rating, correct?
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Re: What ratings should I pay attention to?

If you are really worried about it you can register it for more weight at your dmv. It will cost more money, and you will never be asked to show for it unless your hauling commercially.
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Re: What ratings should I pay attention to?

Here's the deal in these parts. The guys at the scales are not concerned about GVWR. They are concerned about your tires. The number of tires and the size of those tires determine how much weight you are allowed to carry. Now before any of the weight police go off in their tangent, we can not register a pickup truck for any amount of weight. Also I happen to golf with one of the people in charge of the weight scales and truck compliance. We have discussed this issue. No one is going to pull you over and weigh your truck, as long as the sleds are on the truck and securely fasten as not to create a hazard.

And just to give you a little more piece of mind, the F250 and F350 SWR are essentially the same truck. The F350 has a GVWR of 9,900 lbs. Exceeding your GVWR of 8,800 really isn't a safety issue until you reach 9,900 lbs.

Sounds like Santa was good to you. Happy sledding and the best in the New Year.

On edit: The tires usually determine your Gross Axle Weight Rating.
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Re: What ratings should I pay attention to?

It depends on your juristiction.

Most places if you are registered for the weight, and you are not over weight on your tires, then you are golden.

My suggestion is to go to the local highway patrol (or equivelent) and ask them what weights they go by.

My tow truck is factory rated at around 18K (going by VIN, factory label is long gone). I have the truck registered at 26K and tires are rated for 33K. As long as I stay at or under 26K I an legal.
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Re: What ratings should I pay attention to?

Best thing to do is go to the scales and ask what they want to see. (Preferably don't do it while packing your sleds [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif[/img] )

Tires are fast and easy for them to check. No arguments over upgraded brakes, axle swap, ratio change, blah blah blah... with tires its black & white.

Here is BC I can insure WAY above the mfr's GVWR. It's required to do so to include the trailer (other than an RV trailer). However, I can still get in trouble if my primary vehicle's GVWR or GAWR are exceeded.
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Re: What ratings should I pay attention to?

Canuck, I've heard they are cracking down on plow trucks locally. A friend was witness to the police pulling over a 3/4 ton dodge diesel and instructing them to go to the scales. When they weighed the front of the truck, he was over his axle rating and make him remove the plow and was given a fine.

That's the only reason I'm being paranoid. I believe my tires are rated at 3400 or 3500lbs a peice @ 65psi.

I've had the sleds for a while, but the sloppy road conditions are making me think of alternative ways to get my sleds cleanly to their destination. [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif[/img]
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Re: What ratings should I pay attention to?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Blk88GT</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I believe my tires are rated at 3400 or 3500lbs a peice @ 65psi.

</div></div>Are you sure? Sounds excessive.
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Re: What ratings should I pay attention to?

I don't know about the story, but very plausable. There is a safety issue with going over your GAWR and that is indicated in that story. Consistant with my earlier statement.
Your GAWR is on the DOT sticker on the door frame and it will be based on the tires that came stock on your truck. Hook_em_Horns is correct in questioning your numbers. Here is what they should be:
235/85R16 LRD 2623 @ 65
235/85R16 LRE 3042 @ 80
265/75R16 LRE 3475 @ 80 (3000 @ 65)
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Re: What ratings should I pay attention to?

Sorry, I should have clarified. I don't have stock tires on my truck. I'll check them this morning and post back shortly.
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The tires are rated for 3415lbs@65psi
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Re: What ratings should I pay attention to?

Pulled over a plowtruck!!!!!

You have got to be kidding me............

Every 1/2 ton out there with a fisher plow on it will be over weight. Even my 3/4 with the plow is overweight. Plow weights 900 pounds!

Register your truck for 12K and fight any and all tickets as you get them.

This is as bad as the state of ME requiring truck campers to be registered. If it fits in there and does not ride of the road why have to register it? Plus with it covering the plate are the ME cops going to pull over every slide-in and check to see if it is from ME?
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MarkEkberg</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Pulled over a plowtruck!!!!!

You have got to be kidding me............

Every 1/2 ton out there with a fisher plow on it will be over weight. Even my 3/4 with the plow is overweight. Plow weights 900 pounds!

Register your truck for 12K and fight any and all tickets as you get them.

This is as bad as the state of ME requiring truck campers to be registered. If it fits in there and does not ride of the road why have to register it? Plus with it covering the plate are the ME cops going to pull over every slide-in and check to see if it is from ME? </div></div> You seem to be assuming that all states will allow you pick numbers out of a hat. That is not the case. Also if the plate is not clearly visable from XXX number of feet from the rear of the vehicle then YES, the ME cops should be pulling those vehicles over. They might cut you some slack for a one time cargo load, but for a truck camper to cover the plate is NOT legal.
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