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Old 08-11-2005, 09:27 PM   #1 (permalink)
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3406E 435hp- Any mods to improve torque?

Are there any mods such as the 10K or others that can be done to increase the torque or load hauling capabilities other than the chip. If not who has the best chip? Thanks in advance.
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Re: 3406E 435hp- Any mods to improve torque?

The 3406E 435HP version has 1550 or 1650 ft/lb torque and has up to 600HP and 2050 ft lb torque. I am sure the 600HP 2050ft/lb tq version has upgraded pistons etc.
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The 3406E 435HP version has 1550 or 1650 ft/lb torque and has up to 600HP and 2050 ft lb torque. I am sure the 600HP 2050ft/lb tq version has upgraded pistons etc.

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There is no 600hp version of the 3406E. The 3406E's highest rating was 550hp with 1850TQ. Then Cat re-created the 3406E into the C15 (both were 14.6 litres) and then developed a 16 litre version (15.6 litres actually) of the C15 called the C16 and that is the motor that had 600hp with 2050TQ. The current ACERT big Cats are 15.2 litres and have a top rating of 625hp.

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Re: 3406E 435hp- Any mods to improve torque?

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There is no 600hp version of the 3406E.

[/ QUOTE ] There was in '98. I saw it on Cat's website. It had a larger bore and longer stroke than the 550HP 3406E. Displacement was 966 c.i.
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There is no 600hp version of the 3406E.

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I got one in my KW, 15.8 liter 3406E. One of the last E series 600HP before the C-16 600HP. Not at all like the 550HP, except to look at it.

Before you can turn any of them up you need the drivetrain to handle it.

Cat or any other reputable shop will NOT turn it up unless the drivetrain is OUT of warranty.

As it is with the heaviest possible drivetrain, I already ate 1 transmission and one power divider.

When I exchanged the power divider, the guy who took it out of my pickup looked at it and said " big Cat huh?" There were NO teeth left on the ring gear at all.
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Re: 3406E 435hp- Any mods to improve torque?

I'm sorry but I didnt understand the answer to my questions in my first post. I know Cat made engines with more hp than the 435. Are there any mods that can be done to improve what this truck is already equipped with?
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Re: 3406E 435hp- Any mods to improve torque?

Thats cause nobody really gave you an answer [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shrug.gif[/img]

I'm not sure but I think that there is not much to be done because you have the smallest version.

I'm not that familiar with the specs on yours, but I think you might have lower compression than the others and a smaller turbo. Which would make it kind of expensive to really get more powere out of.

All of the 3406E series are NOT the same, the only exception might be the 475 and 550 versions, which are pretty close in specs.
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The 3406E 435HP version has 1550 or 1650 ft/lb torque and has up to 600HP and 2050 ft lb torque. I am sure the 600HP 2050ft/lb tq version has upgraded pistons etc.

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There is no 600hp version of the 3406E. The 3406E's highest rating was 550hp with 1850TQ. Then Cat re-created the 3406E into the C15 (both were 14.6 litres) and then developed a 16 litre version (15.6 litres actually) of the C15 called the C16 and that is the motor that had 600hp with 2050TQ. The current ACERT big Cats are 15.2 litres and have a top rating of 625hp.

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Take a look at this pict of my 3406E 600 hp 15.8 (964 ci) embossed on the valve covers.

<font color="blue">3406E 600HP</font>

This engine is rare and usually special order in 98 and early 99. There's only 1067 of them in highway trucks according to my parts book. This version was used mostly in boats at 800 hp with sea water cooling and it will take the 800 hp fuel rate with no problems. I'm using a Pittsburgh Power computer and a marine turbo with a boost blanket. I've got the heavy haul drive train with 5.5" drive tubes so no problems there. I pull a 9 mile 6% grade with 77k gross at 50 to 55 mph with the computer set on the 750 hp rate with no excessive exhaust or water heat at high altitude. At sea level it will take a lot more fuel but I rarely get down there.
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If heat creates boost and not velocity why not put a blow torch on the exhaust manifold?

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Re: 3406E 435hp- Any mods to improve torque?

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Would that 9 mile 6% be Spooner Grade?

I hear you about the altitude. I've been living here for a while, and I drove my (naturally aspirated) Lincoln down to Sacramento a month or two ago. It felt like somebody bolted on a supercharger when I wasn't looking.

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Back on topic-I remember reading about Pittsburgh Power and what they can do for horsepower and torque. They are probably your best bet. However as a hedge, talk to the dealer and see if they can help. (At a reasonable price [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img])
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Re: 3406E 435hp- Any mods to improve torque?

I am not sure how you would think 435 HP is the smallest of that line. That engine was available down to around 365 HP. Also compression ratio's go down as HP goes up, not the other way around.

As for the original question, You will most likely be able to increase your rating. Easiest way is to get your Build ID from the cover and call Cat. There is a range to each build code for HP and torqe. With the 435, I would guess you could jump to the 455 at a minimum. You may find out that all you need is a computer flash. You may be required to have different pistons or turbo. They will be able to answere your question.

I can tell you that on a cummins N14 for instance, they have a range of approx. 60-80 HP per build spec and can easily be adjusted for roughly 200 or so pounds of torque either way with nothing more than a software change. To jump from one build range to another will cost some $$$ though.
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Take a look at this pict of my 3406E 600 hp 15.8 (964 ci) embossed on the valve covers.

<font color="blue">3406E 600HP</font>

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[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] I think we are viewing the last of the greats there. Along with the Signature 600 there will be nothing like them for some time to come anyway, if ever again.

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LMAO all of you LOL [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

A. yes there is and still is a 3406E 600hp engine. The guy that owns the farm where I live has a 99model 600hp with 40,000 Miles yep only 40k.

B. I have officially overhauled 2 15.6L 3406E 600hp engines.

C. Cat WILLLLL turn one up if it is still under warranty but for a heafty fee. Its like $900 instead of the reg. $250 for the factory passcodes and flash files. CAT will not turn one up if the tranny is not rated though [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]. But if it is then its no problem.
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Oh its also in how you drive it. the old mans truck has 810,000--and I just put a clutch in it for the first time. Still has original rears in it and have never been out or resealed. The truck still has originalfront wheel bearings. It had a CAM under warranty when CAT producd a bad batch of cams with to soft of material once. It hauls WAYYYY over gross all the time, to the tune of 110K plus. We live on a SOD farm.

So moral here is its all in how hard you wanna get to 65mph. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

Oh its a 550/1850 CAT
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Would that 9 mile 6% be Spooner Grade?

I hear you about the altitude. I've been living here for a while, and I drove my (naturally aspirated) Lincoln down to Sacramento a month or two ago. It felt like somebody bolted on a supercharger when I wasn't looking.

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Yeah, that's the one. I was going up the hill this morning and thinking about the good old guys that started me out driving in the 1960's. I used to pull that hill with the old small bore 290 Cummins that had the iron lung on the side blowing flame out the stack, 1400 on the pyro lighting up the hood at night at a whopping 20 mph. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif[/img]

I wonder if the drivers of that era would have believed what we are doing today with these diesels?
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The 3406E 435HP version has 1550 or 1650 ft/lb torque and has up to 600HP and 2050 ft lb torque. I am sure the 600HP 2050ft/lb tq version has upgraded pistons etc.

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There is no 600hp version of the 3406E. The 3406E's highest rating was 550hp with 1850TQ. Then Cat re-created the 3406E into the C15 (both were 14.6 litres) and then developed a 16 litre version (15.6 litres actually) of the C15 called the C16 and that is the motor that had 600hp with 2050TQ. The current ACERT big Cats are 15.2 litres and have a top rating of 625hp.

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Cylinders: In-line 6
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Displacement: 966 cu. in. (15.8L)
Dry Weight: 2867 lb (1301 kg)
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