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Old 02-09-2006, 09:02 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Arco "ECD" Low Sulphur Diesel Fuel

I found myself at an ARCO (now owned by BP) Station in the Los Angeles area desperately in need of some #2. I pulled up to the pump and saw the stickers touting "Low Sulphur ECD" fuel. I'm pretty sure the ECD stands for Emission Control Diesel.

Does anyone know anything about this fuel? Is the sulphur content really that much lower? Will I do any harm to my motor by using this fuel on a regular basis?

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Re: Arco "ECD" Low Sulphur Diesel Fuel

The oil service people told to run some lubricant additive or biodiesel with it. I run 11% soy 90% of the time
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Re: Arco "ECD" Low Sulphur Diesel Fuel

Here's the statement on ECD from Arco's site:

Will the lubricity in #2 diesel change? Will there be any impact on engine warranties?

While the base fuel's lubricity is changing, the finished fuel will include a lubricity additive to assure that it meets vehicle performance requirements. The nation-wide rollout of lubricity treatment of diesel fuel this year is in preparation for the transition to ULSD in 2006.

The fuel, engine, and engine component industries have worked cooperatively over the last few years to address the issue of ULSD lubricity, resulting in an industry-wide consensus standard. ASTM International is in the process of establishing consensus standard testing equipment, specifications, and practices that will be fully implemented before June 2006. BP is fully engaged in this effort.

Read more about ECD [/b]<font color="blue">here[/b]</font>.

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I've been using this stuff for about 2 years now. I've used in my F250, VW TDI, and Jeep Liberty CRD. All of them run a lot better with ARCO than traditional diesel. The fuel is ULSD, which will be law nationwide later this year. So no point on being worried about it since we'll all have to use USLD soon, unless you plan to run red-dye or something else illegal when the time comes.
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I've been using this stuff for about 2 years now. I've used in my F250, VW TDI, and Jeep Liberty CRD. All of them run a lot better with ARCO than traditional diesel. The fuel is ULSD, which will be law nationwide later this year. So no point on being worried about it since we'll all have to use USLD soon, unless you plan to run red-dye or something else illegal when the time comes.

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When you say they "run better" what do you mean? Less smoke? Less noise?

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Less smoke, less noise, less turbo-lag, less vibration. It is really noticable on my Jeep. What annoys me the most on my Jeep is turbo lag from bad fuel. If I'm at a dead stop and floor it using normal diesel I get about a second delay before my turbo kicks in. With Arco or biodiesel, there's no lag at all. It's most likely from the cetane rating. Normal diesel has 40 cetane, Arco has 54, bio has 59.
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Re: Arco "ECD" Low Sulphur Diesel Fuel

This is interesting... I didn't know they'll be labeling the pumps later this year to let you know if the fuel is safe for the 07's.

http://www.chevron.com/products/prod...sel/ulsd.shtml
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The new emmissions in the 07 engines are configgered for ULSD. Think of it like unleaded gasoline. You don't have a choice. Next year it all will be so, enjoy. You will be able to walk outside this time next year and breath in a nice fresh breath of purfectly clean air. The ULSD will have fixed all our problems with just 1 tankful. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif[/img]
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Re: Arco "ECD" Low Sulphur Diesel Fuel

I was reading an aricle in one of the fleet owners magazines I get at the shop and I came across an interesting paragraph regarding this.
It stated that after all this ULSD stuff gets going, that not only will fueel prices increase, but the new engines will cost more and will burn more fuel. This is regarding the new 2007 emissions on med/heavy duty trucks.
I was also talking to a guy at the Cummins dealer a couple days after reading that, and he said that 2010 will be just as bad for emissions changes. He said that in 2010, what the govt. wants coming out of the stack is actually cleaner than the air in Los Angeles right now.
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Everything you said is correct. Don't know about L A though. not interested in that area. I have enough problems with them here.
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I just thought that maybe LA would pay us a couple bucks to drive thru and help clean up the place. LOL
My real question is that if a gallon of fuel will produce less emissions, but we will now have to burn more to do the same thing(same hp or btu) where are we actually gaining anything. Add to that the higher costs of fuel and trucks, and it kinda leaves me scratching my head to be honest.
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I just thought that maybe LA would pay us a couple bucks to drive thru and help clean up the place. LOL
My real question is that if a gallon of fuel will produce less emissions, but we will now have to burn more to do the same thing(same hp or btu) where are we actually gaining anything. Add to that the higher costs of fuel and trucks, and it kinda leaves me scratching my head to be honest.

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lol... You just hit the head on the doornail! The government only cares about percentages of pollutants in the exhaust not total output. Extreem example, if I came up with an engine that gets 500 miles to the gallon, but it's only exhaust was 100% nox and say only put out 1 gram of nox per 500 miles, It would be illegal and not pass emissions becuase the percentage of nox is too high, eventhough it would be less polluting than any other car engine in the world. But then if I came up with an engine that only gets 20 miles to the gallons, and a small percentage of nox output, but a total output of say 100 grams of nox per 500 miles (because of lower mpg), this one would pass emisions! Got to love the politicians!
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Re: Arco "ECD" Low Sulphur Diesel Fuel

I've used about half of the tank of ARCO ECD #2 I put in last week. I have noticed a few significant differences from the "normal" #2 I had been using prior;

1) "Quieter" idle
2) MUCH less "diesel clatter noise" quieter moving down the freeway at 70-75 (2,100-2,200 rpm's)
3) Much smoother sound and power during normal and hard acceleration, it almost feels like it has a little less power [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shrug.gif[/img] The other fuel feels like it "hits" a little harder but doesn't have as much through the rev-range
4) MUCH less smoke...I went to give an annoying ricer a "sootbath" and what he got was more of a "soot-mist" [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

Maybe I'm imagining things....maybe its a bit of the "placebo effect"....maybe the ECD Low Sulpher fuel really is different....most likely a combo of all three....unless I hear otherwise, I'm going to stick with this fuel from now on.

One thing is clear..its time for me to dump the Evo and step up to a DP-Tuner program along with a wicked wheel....
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Nope, you're not imagining things. Except maybe the loss of power part? That could be a software update.

A few weeks ago I filled up at a place called "USA Gasoline" because the diesel was so cheap there and there was no ULSD or Bio nearby. My Jeep Liberty CRD ran, but the idle and accelerations were very loud and vibrated pretty bad. Then I filled up with "Willie Nelson Biodiesel". About 50 miles into the tank the fuel made it through the system and my Jeep now runs as quiet and smooth as the 3.7L Liberty gas engine.

I have noticed when comparing my Jeep to my F250 the Jeep will be more obvious in what kind of fuel I'm running. With my Jeep there's be a big difference in running crap fuel and ULSD, or crap fuel and biodiesel. But not so much difference between ULSD and bio. I run bio when I get the chance since it has good lubrication qualities and it's homegrown.

One last thing about ULSD and bio, for those that have EGR's, it'll will make it a lot less likely you'll get soot buildup in your intake.
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I always appreciate the updates on your CRD, brewcider. I'm still watching that engine and waiting to see if they put it in other models.

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