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Hi everyone. Just wondering about this..... I don't know much about the Big Cam I series....
Found an ad for a Cummins Big Cam 1 short block, or so says the ad. Got this from the ad and from the seller:
Cast into the block. They are 3068094, below that is NW B CEP BNZL and over to the rigt 29A1L.
Cummins 6 Cylinder Short Block Casting Number 3068094. Piston number 3025516
Wants 3K for it..... SO, I guess I want to know is what short block is this for? Is it a NTC 290, 300, 350, 400 or does it matter? Next, how much HP can one "safely" pump out of this short block.....
I know that the "big cam" was available in the NTC 290, 300, 350, 400 and prob a few more that I missed. As I said, I don't know much. Were they all the same cubic inches (bore & stroke) or was it different? Some say a 290 can be 'turned up' to a 300 or a 350.... I've seen lots of stuff that says "NTC".... But I don't really know what the differences from a NTC vs NT vs (what ever letters). There's been quite a few I6's from what I can tell.... (heck, an old logging truck here has a Cummins 330 or 335..... and they said the engine is OLDER then the truck- and the truck is a 1963)
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1999 E-350 Cub Wagon, 7.3L Power Stroke, E4OD, 3.55
1990 E-350 Club Wagon, 7.3L IDI, E4OD, 3.54LS x2
1983 F-150 2x4, 4.9L, C-6 w/GV-OD, 3.55 Farm pickup
1981 C-8000, 3208 CAT, RT-6510, Rockwell SSHD Tandems (Swap)
1977 K100C, NTC-350, RT-1110, Tandem
1977 Transtar II, NTC-290, RT-9509 Single
1977 Transtar II, Formula 290, RT0-9513, Tandem
1974 C-750, 391CID, Clark 5 speed, Eaton 2 speed
I don't know what the compression ratio on that piston is, What camshaft is in it. The engine is an 855, what are you going to do for heads? Has it been cut for LPF liners, do you know the liner #. 3K sounds a little high, what comes with it? Kevin
3g's does sound high. My dad likely has a big cam 350 or better in his storage container as a long block maybe even with turbo for that much. That would be a runnner to, not something needing a rebuild.
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1992 F350 Crew Cab 4x4 7.3l IDI E4OD No Turbo
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1990 F250 Super Cab 2x4 7.3l IDI E4OD Utility bed
1987 E250 Quadravan 4x4 6.9 IDI C6 Banks Turbo, Gearvendor, and U.S. Gear Exhaust Brake
I should have bought that NTC 400 Big Cam II or III that was on Ebay some time ago. Was listed for $1800 (cash) and it was in my state too. Looked like it was in good condition..... was a runner, said seller. Granted, I wouldn't have any use for it... just a 'backup'... or I'd swap it into my K100 (that has 997,XXX on the odo.....). I've seen them listed anywhere from $1800-6000 on Ebay. Not sure if I would trust local salvage yards. We have all the major truck dealers here (Pete, KW, Volvo, Mack, IH... no Sterling though), but we don't have many 'salvage yards' to get good used stuff- Just one.
I don't 'need' one at the moment, but I like to know how much things are (aka is it worth it/good deal). For as much as I paid for the trucks, shoving another engine in any of them prob. would not be worth it- especially since I would have to farm it out. I could find another cab-over for $4-7K if need be- IF it came to that point. (Ran accross an mid 80's IH w/ a factory rebuilt Cummins 400 in it some time back....they wanted $8K.)
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1999 E-350 Cub Wagon, 7.3L Power Stroke, E4OD, 3.55
1990 E-350 Club Wagon, 7.3L IDI, E4OD, 3.54LS x2
1983 F-150 2x4, 4.9L, C-6 w/GV-OD, 3.55 Farm pickup
1981 C-8000, 3208 CAT, RT-6510, Rockwell SSHD Tandems (Swap)
1977 K100C, NTC-350, RT-1110, Tandem
1977 Transtar II, NTC-290, RT-9509 Single
1977 Transtar II, Formula 290, RT0-9513, Tandem
1974 C-750, 391CID, Clark 5 speed, Eaton 2 speed
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A buddy mentioned that at one time when he was in trucking (late 70's early 80's), his company truck had a twin turbo Cummins- similar to how the 6.4 IH has two turbos back to back. Always told stories of hauling 80K (or more) and blowing by semis going up a hill...... He's get on the CB and tease them...."Turbo 1...... Turbo 2..... BY-By....) Granted, w/ today's engines.... they have lots of HP. (I've looked online on the Pittsburgh Power website too....)
The idea of a 600+ HP NTC BIG cam always had a soft spot in my heart...... [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smirk.gif[/img]
I can dream, can't I.... [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/sleep.gif[/img]
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1999 E-350 Cub Wagon, 7.3L Power Stroke, E4OD, 3.55
1990 E-350 Club Wagon, 7.3L IDI, E4OD, 3.54LS x2
1983 F-150 2x4, 4.9L, C-6 w/GV-OD, 3.55 Farm pickup
1981 C-8000, 3208 CAT, RT-6510, Rockwell SSHD Tandems (Swap)
1977 K100C, NTC-350, RT-1110, Tandem
1977 Transtar II, NTC-290, RT-9509 Single
1977 Transtar II, Formula 290, RT0-9513, Tandem
1974 C-750, 391CID, Clark 5 speed, Eaton 2 speed
Might have been the NTC444 from around 1988, they had factory twins. Pittsburg Power will help you make 600hp on a Big Cam but you better be paying attention when driving it!
KTA Cummins = 1,100 Cu In!!!! But it he KTA better than a 3408 Cat? (also arond 1000 cubes)
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: garbage_mechanic</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Might have been the NTC444 from around 1988, they had factory twins. Pittsburgh Power will help you make 600hp on a Big Cam but you better be paying attention when driving it!
KTA Cummins = 1,100 Cu In!!!! But it he KTA better than a 3408 Cat? (also around 1000 cubes) </div></div>
depends what your idea of "Better" is.
For what im doing the big boy 15.8L electronic Cat is where its at. for a freight hauling retro rocket hot rod the KTTA would be my choice.
The super secrete deal maker/breaker is a guy that is willing to tune an E-model CA with recluse abandon for mother cats wishes. that's why I need a 98-99 that isn't emissions password protected
I would dare to be different and try the C-18 but fear of dropping massive amounts of money I don't really have to throw into the wind, is keeping me from trying that.
For what im doing the big boy 15.8L electronic Cat is where its at. for a freight hauling retro rocket hot rod the KTTA would be my choice.
The super secrete deal maker/breaker is a guy that is willing to tune an E-model CA with recluse abandon for mother cats wishes. that's why I need a 98-99 that isn't emissions password protected
i would dare to be different and try the C-18 but fear of droping massive amounts of money i dont really have to throw into the wind, is keping me from trying that.
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Unless it is a new or rebuilt short block with a gaurantee, 3 grand is a bit much. besides you would need a lot of parts to complete it. Local rebuilt complete engins are in the 8 grand range here.
Kaliburz,
The twin turbo engine you refer to was the Big Cam 475 HP Cummins.
My all time favorite stump puller in a stock engine?? KTTA 600 Cummins, long lasting, easy to maintain and repair. Sorry Cat guys no competition.
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