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Old 11-24-2007, 05:09 PM   #1 (permalink)
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E4OD same as 4R100....?

Now, I'm going to say up front that this is pretty much a stupid question. Really stupid....but, I feel the need to ask just because I'm curious...

I know with out a doubt that the 4R100 isn't the exact same as the E4OD but, when I was talking to the guy from Destroked about my interests in a Cummins conversion, he told me that the flexplate for the 4R100 is the same for the E40D. So what exactly is the difference in the two? And if the flexplate is the same, could I bold a 4R100 up to my '96? (Would it even be worth it?)

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Re: E4OD same as 4R100....?

Yes they are the same. The name change was to conform to ISO standards, the same thing was done with the other Ford transmissions, GM too. I.e. AOD-E became 4R70W.

Ford made the name change at the same time they made some design changes, which will lead some folks to argue till they are blue in the face that the names indicate different transmissions. However there were changes made all through production from 1989 to present. Ford just used a convenient cutoff.

Now there is no reason to "swap" your E4OD for a newer transmission, with a new name, just to do it. However if you needed to replace a failed unit, it can be done provided all the electronics match up (there were changes in the solenoid packs and TCC over the years).
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Old 11-25-2007, 03:01 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Re: E4OD same as 4R100....?

That's pretty interesting...I always thought that they were completely different.
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Re: E4OD same as 4R100....?

Very similar trannies. The 4r100 is basically an upgraded e40d. They can be made to fit in a e40d application. Just need to change a few things around to allow for the electronics, shift linkage, and the converter lockup.

I should have my 4r100 in my 95 by the end of this week.
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Re: E4OD same as 4R100....?

Is it that much stronger, or did you just happen to come across one?
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Re: E4OD same as 4R100....?

The 4R100 is quite a bit stronger. The 4R100 came out with the '99 trucks and was beefed up because of the increase in torque over the '97 engines.
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No questions the PSD's put out more torque than the engineers ever dreamed of when they designed the trans for 1989.
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Re: E4OD same as 4R100....?

"The 4R100 is quite a bit stronger. The 4R100 came out with the '99 trucks and was beefed up because of the increase in torque over the '97 engines. "

That's good to know! If I come across a new one cheap,
I might go that route. Or, at least buy it and keep it
around for later.
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Re: E4OD same as 4R100....?

I'm wondering if the 4R100 would hold up to more powerful injectors? I'm not sure in the difference in power ratings of the '94-'97 7.3's and the new ones is but, I would hope that the 4R100 would hold up to a good amount of power. Then again, I'm not sure when they stopped using it...I'm guessing before they adopted the 6.0?
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Re: E4OD same as 4R100....?

When the 6.0L came out it had the TorqShift transmission. The gas engines stayed with the 4R100 for another year or so. The last 4R100 was built in 2004.
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Old 11-26-2007, 04:55 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Re: E4OD same as 4R100....?

I haven't looked for a while but, a few years ago I could get
a new 4R100 for $1700. I haven't checked back lately but, do
these hold up to mild power improvements like say 350 hp in
an OBS truck? I'm not in a position to buy a BTS at this point.
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Re: E4OD same as 4R100....?

New? Ford remans are 2 grand maybe a little more.

I know the reman I got for a 94 was in a newer case, as it had a plugged hole in the bellhousing for a sensor. I would guess that the remans are all the same except for the solenoid pack and converter to match the year.
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Re: E4OD same as 4R100....?

Sparky, that's what I was wondering but, I'm pretty sure that the 99+ 7.3's didn't make that much more horsepower...and the 4R100 being an E4OD with slight improvements would lead me to believe that they cannot withstand that much HP. However, I'm thinking that maybe since they are 'improved' maybe there's a way to help them withstand a pretty hefty power increase without going the BTS route...
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Re: E4OD same as 4R100....?

A shift kit in a good stock transmission will make a BIG difference in its life and shifting capabilities.
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Re: E4OD same as 4R100....?

"A shift kit in a good stock transmission will make a BIG difference in its life and shifting capabilities. "

This might be a way to go. Many on here have mentioned
shift kits before. I had almost forgot about it. Didn't
realize they made that much of a difference in durability
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