Ford to buy or use Cummins in next couple of years? - Page 2 - Diesel Forum

ttreibel · 06-15-2005, 12:22 PM

Dodge makes it.....Cummins shakes it.....should be that way for quite some time.

There are several Cummins in Ford pick-ups but it's a DIY venture.

Bullrack · 06-18-2005, 12:58 AM

I'm actively seeking investors to go in with me to purchase Ford. After acquiring Ford, several months later the partners will have to individually find two investors each, so we can then purchase Cummins so we can finally put an end to this ridulous rumor. Oh yeah, then we'll hold an election to see if the public consensus is that the Cummins name should actually become known as CumminGs. This is the only idea I can come up with to keep 95% of diesel engine mechanic wannabe's from sounding so stupid. Get a grip. If Ford ever purchases Cummins, I vow to pay for a retractment to these statements in every single newspaper across the country.

This was not directed to the last poster at all, I just clicked there to respond one more time.

The best one was the guy at the pump one day that asked what kind of mileage I was getting with my Cummins. I wish I had a sign for this guy, but he probably would not have gotten it though. I just said "190 Kilometers per mile", I can see this guy punching numbers on his calculator. Or the one that asked "How's that Allison holding up"? I drive a Ford, please help me to eradicate stupid people. There should be a law.

roofeditor · 06-18-2005, 07:39 AM

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I'm actively seeking investors to go in with me to purchase Ford. After acquiring Ford, several months later the partners will have to individually find two investors each, so we can then purchase Cummins so we can finally put an end to this ridiculous rumor. Oh yeah, then we'll hold an election to see if the public consensus is that the Cummins name should actually become known as CumminGs. This is the only idea I can come up with to keep 95% of diesel engine mechanic wannabe's from sounding so stupid. Get a grip. If Ford ever purchases Cummins, I vow to pay for a retractment to these statements in every single newspaper across the country.

This was not directed to the last poster at all, I just clicked there to respond one more time.

The best one was the guy at the pump one day that asked what kind of mileage I was getting with my Cummins. I wish I had a sign for this guy, but he probably would not have gotten it though. I just said "190 Kilometers per mile", I can see this guy punching numbers on his calculator. Or the one that asked "How's that Allison holding up"? I drive a Ford, please help me to eradicate stupid people. There should be a law.

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So what king of mileage ARE you getting on your Cummins? [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

aussiekeeper · 06-19-2005, 01:35 AM

gitechisum,,,,,Actually, stock prices have little to do with company worth.......

Ron

rmo1 · 06-21-2005, 01:34 PM

We can only hope. Finally a chance for a reliable diesel in a Ford.

Mwheeler · 06-21-2005, 02:45 PM

I read over there some guys joking around about a Deere diesel. That would actually be one of the best things to happen, put a 6.8L Power Tech in a F-350 and you can wave bye-bye to the Cummins and Duramax guys for good. Our '76 JD 4230 Quadrange Diesel has a 6.8L Power Tech replacement engine, after the original went 15,000 hours, it's got about 2,000 hours now on the 6.8L Power Tech. Dang, that engine would be heavy though. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif[/img]

Seriously though, Deere could really make some big $$$$$$ if they could make engines for Ford--and let Deere do the electronics and only let Ford install it. The guys who don't like Deere should take a look around and see just why all the other manufacturers of farm equipment have either gone out of business or sold out.

International Harvester went due to poor management in the late 70's and early 80's. Case bought IH in 1985.

Ford sold the Ford/New Holland tractor line in 1997.

Case IH then bought New Holland in 2002, IIRC.

Massey Ferguson was bought by the Agco conglomerate in 1991 which is the modern day Allis-Chalmers which was absorbed by Agco in 1986, who also owns Gleaner, Deutz, Hesston, and a bunch of other smaller lines. Agco makes Caterpillar Challenger Tractors.

86GLHS · 06-21-2005, 03:09 PM

I used to think a Ford with a 5.9 Cummins would be the coolest thing on the road until I did some comparison to my 193K mile and 143K mile Powerstrokes to see what Cummins owners with similiar miles had done to there motors.

Take a look at this thread of second generation Dodge/Cummins owners and there problems.

http://www.turbodieselregister.com/f...ge=1&pp=15

Or if you haven't already read enough problems at this point you can check out this thread of owners of the "best diesel motor" with cracked blocks.

http://www.schoolbusfleet.com/forum/...C_ID=7895&

I think I'm going to stick with my 7.3 Ford Powerstrokes! The 99 with 193K has had the turbo rebuilt at 55K under warranty ($100) and all was good until 185K when a wire shorted next to the valve cover, $50 to fix the problem but the "diesel mechanic" decided the truck was due for a new CPS, GPR, heater intake probe and relay.

The 00 has 143K and has a CPS and glow plugs both were less than $200 out of pocket.

BigDaddyT · 06-21-2005, 03:38 PM

86glhs. JD did a survey and found the psd had twice as many issues as the cummins for the 01 model year.

560TURBO · 06-21-2005, 04:20 PM

But what you seem to overlook, so don't skew the results, their were twice as many PSD's than dodges(cummins) also built.

Also, IH was bought out by Tenneco who bought out Case in the 70's. Then CaseIH was bought by Fiat/Landini Corp.

Deere is not the solution. Their is a reason they never entered the truck market. I am not saying they never will, but I do not foresee this venture taking shape. They need to focus on agriculture applications and construction. They are doing it well thus far in my views and should stick with that.

In reality folks, all engines have problems, and all will continue to have problems no matter the make, and no matter what year it was built. These are just like our bodies, pieces wear out and need replacements, and some come out totally retarded out of the shoot. (Not intended to offend anyone, just to make a valid point). This will never be avoided. When all these engines and parts for them are made by the masses, much like how we reproduce, mistakes happen, and tolerances get off key, sleepiness takes over, hangovers exist and ooops! Mistakes take place. Reality bites, but it exist.

Sparkydm · 06-21-2005, 06:23 PM

I have one friend who had good luck with the 5.9L. The rest have had some major problems. I have never liked the way it drove so wasn't
a consideration. A lot of people like them though. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shrug.gif[/img]

torkbeast · 06-21-2005, 07:04 PM

Cummins did make some engines that were suspect due to the block only being cast 6mm thick in one certain spot where they were prone to crack. As many of you know, this is known as the "53" block. I think thats what most of you are reading about. It is unfair to lable the entire run of 5.9 Cummins based on a what you have read about a small fraction of the 5.9's..

BigDaddyT · 06-21-2005, 07:19 PM

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But what you seem to overlook, so don't skew the results, their were twice as many PSD's than dodges(cummins) also built.

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JD powers rates problems per 100 units. So it doesnt matter if its 100 trucks or 100 million. So according to JD all psd owners polled had engines half as reliable as cummins owners in 2001. This was before the venerable 6.0. But far enough into the 7.3 run to where most of the problems had been isolated.

The cummins is by no means problem free. It is generally accepted that it is more reliable than the psd.

Sparkydm · 06-21-2005, 08:55 PM

I've driven a few and never cared for them. So, my contact with
the 5.9L has only been with friends that own one. Unforutnately,
their experience hasn't been very good. Obviously, not a scientific
sample. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/phoney.gif[/img]

torkbeast · 06-21-2005, 09:36 PM

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I've driven a few and never cared for them. So, my contact with
the 5.9L has only been with friends that own one. Unforutnately,
their experience hasn't been very good. Obviously, not a scientific
sample. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/phoney.gif[/img]

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Just out of curiousity, what types of problems have your friends had with their Cummins? [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shrug.gif[/img]

HiWayMan · 06-21-2005, 11:32 PM

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It was not my intention to start a Cummins engine bashing session with this post. Frankly I think that they are the most reliable diesel engine out there and no one can tell me any different. My 92 Dodge with a Cummins has 150,000 on it and going strong. My father has an 89 Dodge 1 ton with a Cummins, 307,000 miles on it and he just overhauled the injection pump, only because the seal began to leak fuel. He uses this truck to transport camper trailers up the Alcan highway to alaska where he lives. All told in the family we have six of these engines with not a single major failure to date. I know of no other engine which has been upgraded to 500 horsepower on a regular basis as some Dodge Cummins owners have done. And these 500 horse engines are going out to 350,000 miles before overhaul.

As I indicated before I have witnessed only 2 head gasket failures in 10 years on Cummins products. I have never seen a Cummins with a bad oil leak, some minor ones but nothing to get concerned about. And as to who makes more engines, I was referring to the entire diesel powerplant scene, Navistar does not produce engines for stationary, marine, military, trucking, bussing, and yes even racing applications (only one engine raced, at Indy one year, and yes it finished the race). I cant tell you how many medium duty international delivery trucks I have seen DEAD on the side of the road in the last 4 years.

Now, getting back to the original thread, I would like to hear from anyone WITNESSING a crack in a Cummins engine block in the location I described.

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Did you read this one above. Most of what you've been talking about, or quoting others has been the "24 valve Cummins" The "12 valver's" are very reliable. Don't get me wrong, I have a healthy respect for the old IDI's. I'm just partial to the Cummins, but I like the Ford truck body and frame. My .02 cents. Al