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ford cummins

hope this is the right forum...

i'm very interested in swapping a cummins motor into a v-10 superduty.
however i'm still early on in the learning process, and want to get as much figured out as i can before-hand. so far i've read a couple posts, used search keys, and visited fordcummins.com. but i still want to know more. what does it involve? best engine tranny options? general idea of cost? what to look for ina donor vehicle, or where to buy from? what are some of the difficult areas? and more.

if you could answer any of this or know of anouther place that has please let me know.
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Check out www.cummins-conversion.com a sight just for us crazy folks that like to make em the way they should have been made in the first place.

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My problem is there's no website for a DT466 swap into a Super Duty, or older F350. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/phoney.gif[/img]

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its like swapping any other engine except the 466 is really big. I have heard you need to put a body lift and a doghouse to make it fit. I wouldn't fool with it. Cummins is a lot easier.

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No problem my friend. Give me a shout and we'll break it down for you. Enginea@bellsouth.net
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hope this is the right forum...

i'm very interested in swapping a cummins motor into a v-10 superduty.
however i'm still early on in the learning process, and want to get as much figured out as i can before-hand. so far i've read a couple posts, used search keys, and visited fordcummins.com. but i still want to know more. what does it involve? best engine tranny options? general idea of cost? what to look for ina donor vehicle, or where to buy from? what are some of the difficult areas? and more.

if you could answer any of this or know of anouther place that has please let me know.
thanks in advance

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Check out this site also... http://www.turbodieselregister.com/f...splay.php?f=30

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No problem my friend. Give me a shout and we'll break it down for you. Enginea@bellsouth.net

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Shout shout shout... Break it down for the rest of us. Whataya got. Adapters, or a shop that does conversions? Lots of us on here are interested in the Cummins conversion.. Don't be bashful. If you've got some got ideas or methods please post them.....






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--- Two 1978 Bronco's- One stock 400 cu" and one Bombed 406 cu"--- 1972 E-200 van. 302 cu"--- 1975 F-600 with 361 cu" Industrial engine.
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www.autoworldmt.com

Another company, good reputation from what I have read, going by pics they do a nice job. They also sell mounts, etc.

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This month's Diesel Power magazine has some interesting information on engine swaps. http://www.dieselpowermag.com/

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This month's Diesel Power magazine has some interesting information on engine swaps. http://www.dieselpowermag.com/

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That's a great article. I bought the magazine just for that piece. But, did anyone catch this? === <font color="blue"> </font> "Basically, the factory Dodge/Cummins computer and its wiring harness remained intact and got transferred directly to the GMC"... What's with that? I thought a 2nd generation Cummins w/ P7100 pump DID NOT have a computer.... What's that all about? Thanks.






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If I recall correctly there is a small computer control module on the 12v that controls grid heater, possibly gauge interface, and some auto trans functions. The engine will run without it, as it does not control the engine at all.

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If I recall correctly there is a small computer control module on the 12v that controls grid heater, possibly gauge interface, and some auto trans functions. The engine will run without it, as it does not control the engine at all.

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Makes sense. I was wondering about that... Thanks.






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so i think that i'm understanding this more...

so far i have only really worked on jeeps/gas engines and swapped a 4.2L for a newer 4.0L. the swap wasn't bad at all except the wiring got me pretty tripped up.

what i understand is that this swap is mostly about making it fit, and the choice of tranmission and adapter. the wiring part is straight forward and their are companies that make wiring. am i right about this?

one question is the grid heater? i have no idea what it is. is it a block heater or what? and what do i need to look for when purchasing the cummins?

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Grid heater is what is used instead of glow plugs, it is a heating element in the air intake, if you don't live where it gets cold
you could forget about hooking it up, they start fine without it.
Although they probably run smoother with it functional when you first start engine. They suck a lot of amps, will dim the headlights on a Dodge when they cycle. This is not a block heater. A guy I work with has a Ddge Cummins and the grid heater doesn't work, it doesn't get much below freezing around here, 30f is cold, he has no problem starting at those temps.

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why does everybody want a cummins.sure their great but to me they are starting to get overrated.

I'd like to have a small detroit diesel in my truck or a catepillar would be nice.

Remember anything can fit and anythings possible and not only that if you got the necessary tools then you can bolt anything onto the frame like motor mounts etc... but I was thinking if im going to put a bigger diesel motor into my pickup I will have to rebuild the engine compartment and fenders to make things work.Im still undecided as to what motor I want because notching the firewall and adding a bigger and stronger suspension wont be no problem for me.I just need the motor and tranny.Oh yeah and the money.

Usually a truck salvage yard will hopefully have a dodge pickup with a cummins in it.I know that because I've already seen a few myself.Just go in and get some good out of it but hopefully if you start doing stuff like converting motors then hopefully you do have some kind of mechanical knowledge on vehicles and engines.

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