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Old 05-13-2006, 12:28 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I have a Series 60 Detroit with over a million miles. I don't believe it has had any engine work yet. I got the truck, a 93 Freightliner, in 2000 with 650,000 miles. It uses about a gallon of oil every 2500 miles. The truck runs so good, that I would rather put up with the oil use than to tear the engine down. I've never worked on a large diesel, but have a lifetime of experience rebuilding gasoline car engines. If I decide to pull the head off of my Detroit, can I ridge-ream and use a glaze-breaker to replace rings as with a gas-motor fix? If not, is removing and replacing the cylinder liners a difficult or problem prone task for the inexperienced?
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Detroit Diesel spec is one quart every 500 miles of usage. At 4 quarts per 2500 miles you are OK to go as is, per Detroit Diesel. I have seen Series 60 engines run many miles with more usage than you have. I will say you are doing well to have a million plus miles without an overhaul. Do you know if the rod and main bearings were done at 600,000? Some folks do them as a preventive maintenance item.

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As for doing the work yourself, the head on the series 60 engine weighs a couple hundred pounds and can be a bit of a challenge. The tools you need are similar to automotive but many are larger.

An inframe with all 6 cylinder kits, rods and mains and a reman head would probably run $8-10,000 at a shop where you do business already.

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I have a Series 60 Detroit with over a million miles. I don't believe it has had any engine work yet. I got the truck, a 93 Freightliner, in 2000 with 650,000 miles. It uses about a gallon of oil every 2500 miles. The truck runs so good, that I would rather put up with the oil use than to tear the engine down. I've never worked on a large diesel, but have a lifetime of experience rebuilding gasoline car engines. If I decide to pull the head off of my Detroit, can I ridge-ream and use a glaze-breaker to replace rings as with a gas-motor fix? If not, is removing and replacing the cylinder liners a difficult or problem prone task for the inexperienced?

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If you have over a million miles with no engine work, you should probably be looking at having an inframe done. You cannot hone & reuse the liners. They are ordered as a cylinder kit, which is a new piston, rings, liner & seals, and some even come with connecting rods. You can do this yourself with some special tools, but I would recommend taking it to a competant shop, since there you will also get a warranty with the inframe should anything go wrong.
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You can do the work, I have seen a few overhauls done by others. I am not saying you cannot do it, I would recommend that a shop who works these do the job. If the counterbores need repair then ???///. Honing the liners is not recommended. You can buy a 'liner kit' which includes the 3 'o' rings. You can buy the skirts,domes,rings, bolts if needed ect. I personally would recommend a cylinder kit as it has all the goodies already there. Use new head bolts, new cam bolt, recommend the replacement of the seal in front of the cam,[special tool there], Change the rods/main bearings,new oil/filters. think about rebuilt injectors,cam bearings,think about water pump,/turbo. Ask your local DDA distributor for pricing and warranties. If you even suspect that the block is damaged from electrolis, a 3/4 engine or complete reman engine can be ordered. Ask for prices and warranties. Make sure that you have a warranty IN WRITING before teardown. DDA shops have specials all the time, Some specials even include a cylinder head in the quote. Yes, I work on them. Sorry I don't quote prices, I just fix them, or debug them.
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Believer45,
I donít believe that the engine has never been worked on. It was a Penske truck and the salesman I bought it from knew its history. It turned out to be a good investment. Iíve put over a half million on it and it still holds over 50 lbs. of oil pressure at running temp. The pressure has dropped only slightly in over 500,000 but I have been contemplating bearing replacement as preventative. (at approx. 1,200,000 miles Ė not too bad) I have replaced bearings in gasoline engines many times without doing any crankshaft grinding if the crankshaft appeared to be alright. Can this also be done with a big diesel? Iím not unaware of the weight of truck parts. I do all my own work, alone, fixing flat tires, replacing brakes, drums, springs and seals, etc. I have air tools, jacks, and big wrenches, ĺĒ and 1Ē drive. I have not been into the engine, trans, or rear axles as they have been so reliable.
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I replaced the water pump and turbo on this engine some years back. Iím unlikely to open this engine up unless the opportunity is right. As long as itís dependable I hate to touch it. I have a 15 speed 1989 Freightliner hognose with a 3406 Cat that I want to put on the road as soon as I replace a bent output shaft on the tranny. (Eaton Fuller 14715) Then Iíll take my time with the DD and make sure I do my best to get everything right. I donít think that the block has any electrolysis problems if maintenance has anything to do with it. I try to keep engine coolant to Detroitís specs. The cam seal does leak a little oil and so does the head gasket. These leaks have been there for a couple of years and have only gradually been getting worse. They donít add up to much oil consumption as that has not changed much since before the leaks began. It looks bad on the engine however and DOT made a note of it on one of my inspections. What would I look for as far as counterbores needing repair? Iíve been through Austin, Eureka, Goldfield, Tonopah, Ely, and have traveled a lot of Nevadaís two-lanes over the years, but I donít remember passing through Lost Wages.
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At the very least I would be doing an oil sampling program on this engine as any engine wit that amount of miles is very suspect. I would probably do a preventive overhaul at 1-1.2 mil just because I would rather not have a new window into the crank case. I would suspect there is a published interval for overhaul miles/hours somewhere for this engine. They don't last forever and you don't want to wind up replacing hard parts on something that old. Then again if the truck/body is on its last legs, or won't last another 1.2 million then maybe it's better just to run it till it breaks.

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Old 05-15-2006, 02:09 PM   #9 (permalink)
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Maybe Detroits are different. I onced owned one but never tore it apart. Anyway I think it would be the same as Cat and Cummins in this respect. You do not cut a ridge off or machine the block. They have liners that press out and you replace the liners which is then actually your bore.
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Old 05-17-2006, 10:17 PM   #10 (permalink)
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Oh I got you on that one. Lost wages is

are you ready? LasVegas, Nevada. Yahoo.

Ok if you are concerned, drain the engine oil, have a new pan gasket, remove the pan, look up at the pressure pipe on the underside of the exposed engine. Look at the valve at the end of the pipe. If the regulator valve is sevierly worn or gouged, replace it. Also replace the relief valve at this time. [the alumunium one by itself] I have seen a few engines running just a little low oil preessure and replaced the valves. Note, I mean a little lower. Not enough to trip and code or any real noticeable difference. At this time, drive the pin out of the alum, valve, install a thin washer in bottom of piston, install the spring on the washer and reinstall the top holding washer/pin. This will only increase the idle pressure approx 3 to 5 psi on a hot engine. It will not increase top oil pressure. That is what the cast valve is for. No washer is needed on the cast valve, only the alum. one. The factory engine do NOT have gaskets on these valves. Gaskets are available and we install gaskets on the valves. Use a new pan gasket if your old one is grey colored. Use a little silicone on the corners where the gasket contacts the split between the block and rear/front cover.
If you do decide to change the mains, have a large torque wrench handy, 380/400 is a bunch to torque under the truck on the mains.
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Old 05-18-2006, 04:44 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Some people buy new trucks and make payments every month. Myself, I keep old trucks and repair them whenever I need to and do preventative whenever I can. Moneywise, from a business point of view, it probably comes out even. Otherwise, I get to know my truck, feel better when I'm on the road and know what makes my ride tick, and, best of all, I get to take truck drivers' vacations. (home without pay and working on the truck - this is good because I can hit the local trout streams and lakes after I wipe off the go-jo)
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I never lost any wages gambling. I just ain't know how to have any fun. Well, a little. I doubled my money one day in a Verdi, NV truckstop, Boomtown, they call it. I put a nickel into one of the one-armed-bandits, and couldn't figure out how to work the machine. Stubborn, I kept monkeying with it and two nickels came out. I quit right there.

After this trip I'll believe I'll take your advice on the pressure valves. The pressure does get low at idle when the engine's hot. (not enough to code) I didn't know the mains had to be torqued that high. I will get a large torque wrench. (I have a 200 lb. SnapOn but I'll get a 500 pounder if I have to) If I take the pan off, I probably will change the rod and main bearings.
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