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Old 08-22-2007, 02:43 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Perkins Diesel wont start

We have several aircraft Ground Power units which run Perkins 4 cyl engines. We have one that just won't start. We have fuel pressure all the way to the point where the lines go to each injector. Bone dry from that point on. There is a solenoid were swapped to another unit we knew ran and it did just fine. Other than that it looks like the fuel pump assembly. Does anyone have any expearence with these things?
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This post brings back memories. I used to work on Carrier transport refrigeration units that used 4 cyl. Perkins engines. If the glow plugs are working, and it has fuel to injectors we would pour a little motor oil down the intake to get the compression up enough for them to start. The old Perkins were really tough to get going sometimes, especially if they had been sitting up for any length of time. If you do have to pour a little oil down its throat, be careful, too much can hydraulic the engine. Once it starts, everything within 25 feet will get covered in oily soot spots until it burns all the oil out of the intake.

We also ocassionally had use 24 volts to crank them if they were really bad. The 12 volt starters don't last long doing this though.
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I know I'm not suppose to use starting fluid but we were able to get it to run by shooting the stuff down the intake. But as soon as we stopped the engine died. Still think it's a fuel starvation problem. I do like the oil down the intake. I may get rid of the pidgons that crap everywhere. Since it an AF base they don't take kindly to any kind of weapon.
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No air getting into system anywhere huh?
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we have a skid-steer that has a little four cylinder perkins. had some problems with it awhile back because it was drawing air at the fuel filter housing. the filter was a cartidge type that fit into a small plastic canister. i got that fixed and then cracked the lines at each of the injectors and had someone turn it over till i got fuel out of each one and then retightened and has run fine since. otherwise it was the same way though, no fuel to the injectors.
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Old 08-22-2007, 05:32 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Do the injector lines squirt good streams of fuel at each injector when the engine is spun over? If not check the fuel solenoid and make sure it is opening. Sometimes adding a little air pressure to the fuel tank will help bleed the system out and show hidden leaks in the system. If it has glow plugs they are more than likely ruined now, starting fluid will knock the tips off of them almost instantly.
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I had a miller welder with a Perkins give me early gray hairs. IT had been stored for 3 years without running and the fuel in it had gone sour with nasty al gee in it. I changed filers drained cleaned and flushed the fuel tank and it refused to start. it would crank for days but wouldn't fire.

turns out the faded front control panel there was a fuel pump shut off override that you had to hold down when starting. IF you didn't the electric fuel pump wouldn't feed the injector pump. you had to hold the button until the machine made enough oil pressure to over ride the low oil pressure shut off and then it would run for days on end like a sewing machine.
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Re: Perkins Diesel wont start

You probably have air in the injection pump which is a bear to bleed. Should have two small bleed screws (usually takes an 8mm wrench if I recall correctly or 5/16") Bleed the IP from both screws till you have clear fuel coming out with no air. Then tighten them up and crank while the injection lines are loose at the injectors...once you see fuel coming from all the injection lines tighten them all up, crank some more and should start up if not give it a whiff of ether and she should get going. When bleeding make sure throttle is at max.
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Update. the injection pump is getting fuel all the way to the rotery pump. Past the pump to the injectors is still a no go. We applied a small amount of pressure to the tank and we had fuel flowing out of the inlet side of the pump, discharge is a different story. We are not sure how to disassemble the pump so I'm hesitant to do so. Looking to Diesel Injection to see if they can rebuild the pump. A new will cost a cool $4000. Not my money but geez I would like to get a pay raise this year.
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There should be a banjo fitting on the pump that has a little screen inside it, clean it out good and try again.
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You should be able to get that pump rebuilt for less than $500. I just got a quote for a 4 cyl 318 pump rebuild (CAV pump) and it was around $500.
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Number 2 just gave up the ghost. Pulling the pump on one to see if there is some kind of blockage.
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We think we found the problem with the engines. Since two went down we started to suspect a common problem. We drained the tank and sure enough the nastiest slime you would ever see. My guys asked if I wanted the stuff to put in my truck. Just smiled and said, no. Anyway it turns out the Government has switched from regular diesel to bio diesel. This stuff is causing all kinds of problem in all equipment on base. I know there is a cleaning property to the stuff but a slime that can't be desolved by anything other than alcohol. We tried to remove one of the pumps with no joy. so we are going to fill the back of the pump with alcohol and see if we can break up the restriction. I tried to get diesel injection service in San Antonio to quote a rebuild of the injection pump but they must make allot of money and don't need ours. Thanks locomotive breath for the help. Will keep you posted of how this turns out. Also we are switching to JP8
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just send it to the DRMO. did the fuel filter not catch the sludge before it got the IP?
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I have found some fuel tanks on the machines I work on to have bacteria in them. It looks like a slime type stuff. Almost like snot. Its far and few in bewteen but they are there. It is a possibility.
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