General DieselDiscussion about diesels in general. All brands are welcome, please refrain from brand wars. Discussions about types of diesel fuel also go here.
Now if they can only put a tailgate on that is not classified as an "accessory" so it won't crush when you load a 4 wheeler in the back of the truck; don't put Sakrete cement bags on there either, that has a bad effect as well.
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With Honda going in with at least three diesel models also already confirmed in the next 3 years, they had to get it moving. I think this is great news. More choices, more competition, better for the consumer.
I wouldn't be so sure that it "won't compete with the big three"! I saw some guys at an offroad event here in KY last year. They were driving a dually 4wd Tundra! Diesel! They worked for Toyota product development and it was thier job to drive around the country with this rig a stir up commotion and to test this new truck. They would not say anything offcial and I can't seem to find anything on the net about these guys, but I did see the truck. And it was no 4.5L. They had a 28' dovetail trailer on there with two mud trucks and all of thier equipment. I don't remember what one of the guys said it had in it but I'm fairly certain that the torque figures were in excess of 650! Considering that they have the highest rated output V8 in their 1/2 ton and that they have been at the diesel game on many levels, much longer than Ford, Chevy, or Dodge... I would say that when they do bring the HD's, they will bring the HD's!
The consumer will win in the end. Like mentioned, more competition, more development, better products, and better warranty!
The big three will have to step things up a bit otherwise ....... we all see whats happened with cars!
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[quote=DirtE30;1510727]I wouldn't be so sure that it "won't compete with the big three"! I saw some guys at an offroad event here in KY last year. They were driving a dually 4wd Tundra! Diesel! They worked for Toyota product development and it was thier job to drive around the country with this rig a stir up commotion and to test this new truck. They would not say anything offcial and I can't seem to find anything on the net about these guys, but I did see the truck. And it was no 4.5L. They had a 28' dovetail trailer on there with two mud trucks and all of thier equipment. I don't remember what one of the guys said it had in it but I'm fairly certain that the torque figures were in excess of 650! Considering that they have the highest rated output V8 in their 1/2 ton and that they have been at the diesel game on many levels, much longer than Ford, Chevy, or Dodge... I would say that when they do bring the HD's, they will bring the HD's!
Well untill they bring it & let the every day guy run um for a few years I'll stay with the big 3. Remember when they test there engines for rated #'s its on a stand under ideal conditions,where as the big 3 must give HONEST #'s in the vehicle. As far as the most hp it hasn't helped them much as my old 7.3 and my new duramax don't have much problem waxing them. Oh yea my mileage is better too.
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In my opinion, the big 3 probably could take some lessons from Toyota when it comes to field testing. Toyota has an excellent reputation for longevity in its vehicles. We have all probably heard of someone taking their Toyota, or other Japanese designed vehicle, to the junk yard that was running good with 200,000 plus miles, but the thing just rusted beyond safe servicability. I read an article about 15 years ago, I belive in a Popular Mechanics, that the big difference between American and Japanese design is that American engineers design things to be serviced regularly and Japanese engineers design things to operate until failure. I never fully appreciated the content of the article until recently when I realized that my wifes 1994 Chevrolet Astro with 205,000 miles, that I have maintained meticulously, is starting to show its age, both mechanically and cosmetically. I cannot even begin to recall how many wear and tear items I have replaced. On the other hand, my aunts 1995 Toyota Camry, with almost the same miles still operates flawlessly with nothing more than break pads, a battery, and oil changes. We both bought our vehicles used in 1996 and I chastized her to no end for buying "a foreign job". Looking back, how much of my money could still be drawing interest instead of being spent replacing parts.
In conclusion, I think Toyota is not only putting up valid tried and tested real world numbers and results, I think they are putting out a superior product that is only going to make the big 3 reevaluate their product and force them to get competitive. Hopefully, we will all win as consumers in the end.
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1996 Extended Cab Long Bed XLT, 4x4, 3.55LS, Tymar Intake, Diamond Eye Performance 4" Exhaust, Meyer C-8 Plow, Timbren Load Levelers
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Id worry about how good it does in the real world too.
Ive got a customer that has a toyota pickup he uses to lead the trucks in convoys and stuff that have oversized loads. He loves the truck BUT everytime he hooks up his camper to it the thing shatters the fly wheel. After quite a few flywheels he decided it wasnt meant to be and is looking for a truck like my f250 to replace his toyota.
I dont doubt for a second that the import companies cant make a dependable truck motor wise and such. What would worry me is how flimsy the metal is they use or the design of it. Because like mentioned, they bend to easy
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. Oh yea my mileage is better too.
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