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Old 02-07-2007, 03:07 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Re: ULSD Fuel

Just found out that Stanadyne is made locally. I am going to call to see if I can purchase it directly from them.
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[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img] I WAS SHOCKED WHEN FORD REPS. SAID TO PUT TRANNY FLUID IN THE TANK. THATS OF COURSE ON THE NON WARRANTY TRKS. I DO RECOMMEND IT TO ALL MY CUSTOMERS THAT DON'T DO ALOT OF INTERSTATE DRIVING A LONG WAYS. THOUGHT MAYBE THEY MIGHT GET STOPPED & THEY WOULD THINK THEY ARE USING OFF ROAD NON TAXED FUEL. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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Old 02-11-2007, 05:55 PM   #18 (permalink)
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Re: ULSD Fuel

I've heard of using tranny fluid to lubricate and also help clean the motor. How much would be appropriate to use? Anyone know?
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Old 02-13-2007, 02:04 PM   #19 (permalink)
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Re: ULSD Fuel

Like Low Sulfur Diesel fuel, ULSD fuel requires good lubricity and corrosion inhibitors to prevent
unacceptable engine wear. As necessary, additives to increase lubricity and to inhibit corrosion will be
added to ULSD fuel prior to its retail sale. With these additives, ULSD fuel is expected to perform as
well as Low Sulfur Diesel fuel.
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Like Low Sulfur Diesel fuel, ULSD fuel requires good lubricity and corrosion inhibitors to prevent
unacceptable engine wear. As necessary, additives to increase lubricity and to inhibit corrosion will be
added to ULSD fuel prior to its retail sale. With these additives, ULSD fuel is expected to perform as
well as Low Sulfur Diesel fuel.

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i dont know if its just me but my truck doesnt seem as strong when i put the ulsd in it. i dont know maybe i just "THINK" [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shrug.gif[/img] the lsd is better.
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I think the Feds should pay to have all our trucks converted to the new 6.4L engine! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
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Old 02-13-2007, 08:15 PM   #22 (permalink)
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Re: ULSD Fuel

I'm in California and have been running it since September and I haven't noticed any difference in performance. I thought the drain valve o-rings were leaking, but I just hadn't tightened the pea**** enough when I drained it the week before.

That quote is right from the web link in the first post of this, BTW.
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Old 02-17-2007, 10:23 PM   #23 (permalink)
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Re: ULSD Fuel

No problems in truck, same mileage, same power.

No problems in Mitsubishi tractor of dubious ancestery, still developes all 15 raging hp. ( 25 degrees, 30 seconds glow plugs, 1st piston up fires!!)
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Re: ULSD Fuel

I actually think my truck runs more smoothly and is more quiet with the ULSD.

Of course, that's just a "seat of the pants" observation.
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UNITED STATES
NUCLEAR REGULATORY COMMISSION
OFFICE OF NUCLEAR REACTOR REGULATION
WASHINGTON, D.C.20555-0001


October 12, 2006

NRC INFORMATON NOTICE 2006-22:

NEW ULTRA-LOW-SULFUR DIESEL FUEL OIL COULD ADVERSELY IMPACT DIESEL ENGINE PERFORMANCE

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All holders of operating licenses for nuclear power reactors, except those who have permanently ceased operations and have certified that fuel has been permanently removed from the reactor vessel.

PURPOSE

The U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission (NRC) is issuing this information notice (IN) to alert licensees to the potential for new ultra-low-sulfur diesel (ULSD) fuel oil to adversely impact engine performance. It is expected that recipients will review the information for applicability to their facilities and consider actions, as appropriate, to avoid similar problems. However, suggestions contained in this IN are not NRC requirements; therefore, no specific action or written response is required.

DESCRIPTION OF CIRCUMSTANCES

In January 2001 and in June 2004, the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) finalized the Clean Diesel Trucks and Buses Rule and the Clean Non-road Diesel Rule, respectively, with more stringent standards for new diesel engines and fuels (http://www.epa.gov/oms/regs/fuels/diesel/diesel.htm). The EPA rules require a reduction in the sulfur content of highway diesel fuel from its current level of 500 parts per million (ppm) (low sulfur diesel, or LSD) to 15 ppm (ULSD). Refiners were required to start producing the cleaner-burning diesel fuel ULSD, for use in highway vehicles beginning June 1, 2006.

The EPA requires sulfur reductions for land-based non-road diesel fuel to be accomplished in two steps, with an interim step from currently uncontrolled levels to a 500-ppm cap starting in June 2007 and the final step to 15 ppm in June 2010. Although the EPA requirements for the 15-ppm ULSD do not take effect until 2010 for non-road diesel fuel, several nuclear power plant licensees have received shipments of ULSD. The California Air Resources Board regulations require that all California users of diesel fuel oil transition to ULSD fuel oil by June 1, 2006. Some licensees have already received (and all licensees will eventually receive) ULSD fuel oil from petroleum product refiners, distributors, and wholesalers and may have started using this fuel in diesel engines that provide functions important to safety.

Examples of diesel engines providing functions important to safety include:
Emergency diesel generators (EDGs), diesel-driven fire pumps, diesel-driven auxiliary feedwater pumps, diesel-driven essential service water makeup pumps, diesel-driven instrument air compressors, security diesel generators, safe shutdown facility diesel generators, diesel generators for emergency preparedness and response functions, and station blackout diesel generators.

There are several diesel fuel properties other than sulfur concentration that change as a result of moving to ULSD that may adversely effect the engine performance including:

Energy Content
In general, the processing required to reduce sulfur to 15 ppm also reduces the aromatics content and density of diesel fuel, resulting in a reduction in volumetric energy content (BTU/gallon). The expected reduction in energy content is 1.2 percent or more. Less energy content of the fuel can reduce the instantaneous output rating of the diesel engine. The reduced output rating may be less than the value specified in the plant’s design and licensing basis, potentially rendering the diesel inoperable. The reduced energy capacity of the ULSD may result in increased fuel consumption such that the onsite diesel fuel storage capacity for the emergency diesel generators may be insufficient to satisfy the plant’s design and licensing basis for diesel operation duration before offsite replenishment is needed. The reduced energy capacity may also lengthen the amount of time needed for the emergency diesel generators to reach the required speed and voltage.

Fuel Particulate Build-up
Increased additives to increase lubricity and to inhibit corrosion used by different refineries and wholesale suppliers can react or become unstable in storage, which can result in increased fuel particulates that may foul or plug filters and fuel injection equipment, and can affect suitability of some testing methods.

Some nuclear plant licensees using ULSD have observed an increase in the rate of particulate buildup in samples from their diesel fuel oil storage tanks.

Fuel System Seal Leaks
Non-nuclear industry operating experience using ULSD shows an increased incidence of fuel system leaks at points where elastomers (O-rings) are used to seal joints, with most leaks occurring at the fuel pump and injectors. The evidence to date suggests the problem is linked to a reduction in the aromatics content of the ULSD, which affects seal swelling, as does seal material and age of the material.

Compatibility with Lubricating Oil
As discussed in NRC IN 96-67, “Vulnerability of Emergency Diesel Generators to Fuel Oil/Lubricating Oil Incompatibility,” lubricating oil contains an additive package that neutralizes the products of combustion, most importantly sulfuric acid, to prevent engine corrosion. With a reduced amount of sulfur, there is more unreacted additive in the lubricating oil, which may result in the formation of deposits when some of the oil is burned. These deposits can build up behind the piston rings, forcing the rings to extrude and come into contact with the cylinder liner wall, resulting in scuffing.

Microbial Growth
Diesel fuel that was desulfured at the refinery through hydrocracking (versus hydrotreatment) may have a greater propensity for microbial growth due to an increased concentration of n-alkanes (linear molecules).

Incompatible Metals
There are no known compatibility issues with aluminum, carbon steel, stainless steel, and bronze. However, copper and zinc are incompatible with ULSD because both are oxidative catalysts that will accelerate the formation of sediments, gels, and soaps (American Society for Testing and Materials (ASTM) D975, Appendix X2.7.2).

Lubricity
Lubricity is a measure of the fuel’s ability to lubricate and protect the various parts of the engine’s fuel injection system from wear. The processing required to reduce sulfur to 15 ppm also removes naturally-occurring lubricity agents in diesel fuel. Rotary and distributor type fuel pumps are completely fuel lubricated resulting in high sensitivity to fuel lubricity. Refiners treat the diesel fuel with additives on a batch to batch basis to ensure adequate lubricity. Therefore, receipt of ULSD with inadequate lubricity is possible but unlikely.

BACKGROUND

Applicable Regulatory Documents
General Design Criterion (GDC) 17, “Electric Power Systems,” of Appendix A, “General Design Criteria for Nuclear Power Plants,” to Title 10 of the Code of Federal Regulations (10 CFR) Part 50, “Domestic Licensing of Production and Utilization Facilities,” requires that an onsite electric power system and an offsite electric power system be provided to permit functioning of structures, systems, and components important to safety. In addition, GDC 17 contains requirements concerning system capacity, capability, independence, redundancy, availability, testability, and reliability. Appendix B, “Quality Assurance Criteria for Nuclear Power Plants and Fuel Reprocessing Plants,” to 10 CFR Part 50 establishes overall quality assurance requirements for the design, construction, and operation of structures, systems, and components important to safety.

Regulatory Guide (RG) 1.137, Revision 1, “Fuel Oil Systems for Standby Diesel Generators” dated October 1979, describes a method acceptable to the NRC staff for complying with the Commission’s regulations regarding diesel fuel oil systems for standby diesel generators.

DISCUSSION

In January 2001 and in June 2004, the EPA finalized the Clean Diesel Trucks and Buses Rule and the Clean Non-road Diesel Rule, respectively, with more stringent standards for new diesel engines and fuels that require a reduction in diesel fuel sulfur content to 15 ppm. Some licensees have already received, and all will eventually receive, this ULSD. As described above, the ULSD has a number of properties that have the potential to degrade or render inoperable the associated diesel engine or may create a condition that is inconsistent with current plant design and licensing bases. This ULSD issue is of particular concern because it affects all licensee diesel generators that are safety-related and/or important to safety, thereby, presenting a possible common mode failure. Licensees can evaluate the potential impacts of ULSD and can take measures to ensure the plant is consistent with the current design and licensing basis and prevent the diesels from being rendered inoperable or significantly degraded.
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Old 02-23-2007, 11:59 PM   #26 (permalink)
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My tank holds 30 gals topped off.. I put in just a 1/2 a qrt of 30 weight oil to the tank.. It's just enough oil and it seems to work just fine as far as adding that little bit of needed lubricity to the engine..
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Old 03-05-2007, 07:47 PM   #27 (permalink)
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Ok, if you go to the gas station on the pump theres a stiker wiche says "Not leagle for highway use in 2007 and latter vehicles, it may dammage vehicle or engine" Ok so what do you put in your truck now?They don't run on air only now do they?
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Re: ULSD Fuel

The only difference that I have noticed is that I had to add a fuel addative when it got very cold. It was he first time I've ever had to do that since the truck was new. I've been in -17 degrees with wind chill ontop of that and never had to add anything to the fuel. This year with temps down around 0 at night and 5 or 6 during the day I had a problem with not enough fuel getting to the injectors and it started running rough. If I went easy on the go pedal I was able to make it to a gas station where I bought some gumout fuel additive for diesels and the problem went away. Since then I watch the weather and keep a couple of spares in the bed.
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Ok, if you go to the gas station on the pump theres a stiker wiche says "Not leagle for highway use in 2007 and latter vehicles, it may dammage vehicle or engine" Ok so what do you put in your truck now?They don't run on air only now do they?

[/ QUOTE ]Your truck will run on U.L.S.D, The guys with the new 08's have to run the Ultra low in their trucks due to the new emissions equipment.Our trucks will run on Low, Ultra Low does not matter.You would be hard pressed to find regular low at the stations anymore.The switch over was oct 15 06,so You have more than likely already been using ultra low &amp; didn't know it, because the pumps still had the old stickers on them. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smokin.gif[/img]
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A lot of 24v Cummins guys are adding ashless 2-stroke oil to their fuel to protect the VP-44 injection pump. Unlike ATF the 2-stroke oil is designed to burn in an engine.
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