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Were just wishing either Ford would have stuck with the DEPENDABLE 7.3 or stuck a Cummins in it like they do for Brazilians like i posted in the link above!!
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Well, since Dodge has the Cummins tied up in the states for several more years, that one is out. As for the "DEPENDABLE 7.3", Navistar got themselves in a bind with that engine by lying to the Feds about meeting emmissions requirements. Thus leading to a consent decree from the Feds. Under the consent decree, Navistar had to meet the more stringent EPA requirements well ahead of everyone else. Apparently, the 7.3 could not be made to meet those requirements. So the bottom line is, the Federal government made Navistar, (and thus Ford), go away from the 7.3. Ford had no choice in the matter if they chose to continue to sell trucks equipped with the Power Stroke diesel.
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But Ford could have did there homework better. The 7.3 was good till "08" for emissions so they had pleanty of time to make the 6.0 right!! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif[/img]
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05 Expedition 5.4 3 valve. (It does better in the mileage catagory on the interstate than my 6.0 EVER did!!!!)
GONE!!!!!!2003 F250 CC 4x4 <font color="red"> 6.0 PSD</font> 6 Speed, 3.73 XLT Dark Shadow Gray ,Moonroof, Camper Package, Skid plates ect. (Gutless PIG from idle to 1800) May 12th 03 build week. 122,000 miles as of 01/01/07......... 4" exhaust and AFE intake b&w turnover ball.
Flashed 6 times, EGR cooler replaced, VVRT solenoid replaced, Turbo Ped Replaced, EGR valve replaced 2X NO LEAKS!!! 8 new injectors, new fuel pump, new FICM, new ball joints, Exaust manifold gaskets, both front wheel bearing assy's, The list goes on and on!!!
Former trucks:
89 F250 2wd 7.3 5spd with 256K when sold
94 F250 4X4 IDI Turbo 7.3 5 spd 160K when sold
95 F250 S/C 4x4 PSD 5 spd with 146K when sold
00 F250 C/C 4X4 PSD 6 Spd with 126K when sold (160K now)
None of these trucks EVER spent a day in the shop!!!!
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"powerstroker" are you refering to me? Japtraps? I said japcraps. And ive known alot of wrenchers and theirs some that think that their dodge 318 has more power than a new semi. Not very bright. And if you believe this guy you better sell your V8 since theirs no good v8's made???? Everyone on this site is shaking their head, or at least most. The ford 300 had no power, if i wanted millage i would get a kia, diesels are for hauling, would a 300 straight make it up a mountain with any load, give me a he!! no. If you dont like the engine make the switch and dont tell us how it went.
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Don't be dis'n the 300 6! It's all we ever had on the farm and they did fine! I used to pull 250 bushel gravity wagons full of corn to the elevator with our old farm trucks. What was great about the 300 is you nevcer had to touch it!! Hell i have an 89 bronco with 214K on it and still get 18mpg and no issues with the motor!
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05 Expedition 5.4 3 valve. (It does better in the mileage catagory on the interstate than my 6.0 EVER did!!!!)
GONE!!!!!!2003 F250 CC 4x4 <font color="red"> 6.0 PSD</font> 6 Speed, 3.73 XLT Dark Shadow Gray ,Moonroof, Camper Package, Skid plates ect. (Gutless PIG from idle to 1800) May 12th 03 build week. 122,000 miles as of 01/01/07......... 4" exhaust and AFE intake b&w turnover ball.
Flashed 6 times, EGR cooler replaced, VVRT solenoid replaced, Turbo Ped Replaced, EGR valve replaced 2X NO LEAKS!!! 8 new injectors, new fuel pump, new FICM, new ball joints, Exaust manifold gaskets, both front wheel bearing assy's, The list goes on and on!!!
Former trucks:
89 F250 2wd 7.3 5spd with 256K when sold
94 F250 4X4 IDI Turbo 7.3 5 spd 160K when sold
95 F250 S/C 4x4 PSD 5 spd with 146K when sold
00 F250 C/C 4X4 PSD 6 Spd with 126K when sold (160K now)
None of these trucks EVER spent a day in the shop!!!!
Environmental reasearch [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/vomit.gif[/img] i do actually like the outdoors but here in flat prarie colorado i dont think its gona matter to much. I've sprayed kill all in the middle of the day for the past 3 days with 130+ degree weather in the sunlight so it would suck up the spray and it still looks fine. I wish it was still 1870 but people need to learn that wont happen. I dont think they will go back to the 7.3, trust nobody. If they spend all this money on this new engine they arnt gona want to switch anytime soon. Maybe in 2017, but then emission crap will be worse and a 444 that smokes wont be favored, but a tercel with duracell power will [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/vomit.gif[/img]
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2002 F-250 S/C Auto, 4X4, longbed, Dual Turboback Exhaust from Brighton Radiator, TS 6 position chip(Stock-Fuel7) Tymar Intake.Acetoned emblems. Boost pyro tranny C2 autometer guages with pillar mount(Follow the light)40000Miles
2004.5 Polaris 600 Sportsman. DONT FALL IN THE TRAP DEMOCRATS ARE FULL OF CRAP some call me redneck, some call me trash, some call me a true American that'll kick your... God bless the U.S.
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Don't be dis'n the 300 6! It's all we ever had on the farm and they did fine! I used to pull 250 bushel gravity wagons full of corn to the elevator with our old farm trucks. What was great about the 300 is you nevcer had to touch it!! Hell i have an 89 bronco with 214K on it and still get 18mpg and no issues with the motor!
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The devil dwell in all things spark plugged. Take your 89 and lets line them up... wait let me guuess your not into racing. Ok lets hook trailers up.... wait you can pull a load of hay up a hill. Ok lets go pick up some girls.... wait the 300 6 style is really ugly. Ok lets get some diesels!!!!! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif[/img] I do think that every farm needs a beater though. We have a achevia that we work lol, and a 69 F-250 with a 351. So their not all bad, unless their off the farm [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smokin.gif[/img]
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2002 F-250 S/C Auto, 4X4, longbed, Dual Turboback Exhaust from Brighton Radiator, TS 6 position chip(Stock-Fuel7) Tymar Intake.Acetoned emblems. Boost pyro tranny C2 autometer guages with pillar mount(Follow the light)40000Miles
2004.5 Polaris 600 Sportsman. DONT FALL IN THE TRAP DEMOCRATS ARE FULL OF CRAP some call me redneck, some call me trash, some call me a true American that'll kick your... God bless the U.S.
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Don't be dis'n the 300 6! It's all we ever had on the farm and they did fine! I used to pull 250 bushel gravity wagons full of corn to the elevator with our old farm trucks. What was great about the 300 is you nevcer had to touch it!! Hell i have an 89 bronco with 214K on it and still get 18mpg and no issues with the motor!
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The devil dwell in all things spark plugged. Take your 89 and lets line them up... wait let me guuess your not into racing. Ok lets hook trailers up.... wait you can pull a load of hay up a hill. Ok lets go pick up some girls.... wait the 300 6 style is really ugly. Ok lets get some diesels!!!!! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif[/img] I do think that every farm needs a beater though. We have a achevia that we work lol, and a 69 F-250 with a 351. So their not all bad, unless their off the farm [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smokin.gif[/img]
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That Bronco with the 300 has a lot more miles on it than my 6.0 ever will have before it is shot.... [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/sick.gif[/img]
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05 Expedition 5.4 3 valve. (It does better in the mileage catagory on the interstate than my 6.0 EVER did!!!!)
GONE!!!!!!2003 F250 CC 4x4 <font color="red"> 6.0 PSD</font> 6 Speed, 3.73 XLT Dark Shadow Gray ,Moonroof, Camper Package, Skid plates ect. (Gutless PIG from idle to 1800) May 12th 03 build week. 122,000 miles as of 01/01/07......... 4" exhaust and AFE intake b&w turnover ball.
Flashed 6 times, EGR cooler replaced, VVRT solenoid replaced, Turbo Ped Replaced, EGR valve replaced 2X NO LEAKS!!! 8 new injectors, new fuel pump, new FICM, new ball joints, Exaust manifold gaskets, both front wheel bearing assy's, The list goes on and on!!!
Former trucks:
89 F250 2wd 7.3 5spd with 256K when sold
94 F250 4X4 IDI Turbo 7.3 5 spd 160K when sold
95 F250 S/C 4x4 PSD 5 spd with 146K when sold
00 F250 C/C 4X4 PSD 6 Spd with 126K when sold (160K now)
None of these trucks EVER spent a day in the shop!!!!
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But Ford could have did there homework better. The 7.3 was good till "08" for emissions so they had pleanty of time to make the 6.0 right!!
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As I understand it (and I could be wrong on this), Navistar was mandated by the consent decree to have their engines '04 compliant by October of '02. The 7.3 was apparently not able to meet the '04 emissions standards (let alone the '07 standards which will be in effect before '08), therefore, it was replaced by the 6.0, which could. Since Ford buys the engines from Navistar, they don't really have a hand in this other than as a consumer of Navistar's products.
The other manufacturers (including Cummins) are also under a consent decree, but Navistar was singled out for their misrepresentation of emissions compliance and were given a harsher decree than the other companies.
__________________ 2003 Toreador Red/Arizona Beige CC, DRW, Lariat, FX4, 6.0 PSD, Torqshift, born early Feb. 03; AIC; MBRP turbo-back exhaust; SCT with tuning by Tony Wildman (Total Diesel Performance) & River City Diesel; ARP studs, 155 sticks & some other work by River City Diesel; Dfuser regulated return; AFE PG7; Fumoto valve; B&W hitch, Di-Pricol gauges; DIESELSITE Coolant filter; Timbrens; Rancho RSXs; Michelin XPS Traction's; a whole bunch of "bling"; Connex 4300hp; Pioneer DEH6100BT, JL Audio 275w amp driving a 12" sub, JL Audio 50wx4 amp driving the Alpine door and rear seat speakers. 380.3hp/786.7ft-lbs (on my tow tune!)
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The reason the Cummins rumor never dies is because people WANT TO believe it. Ford builds an excellent truck, but these IH engines are junk. There is no doubt in my mind that the Ford marketing guys read these forums. How many times do they have to read "Sick Litre" and "Ford owns Cummins" to get the message that we want a good, reliable straight six engine in these trucks ?
I'm tired of V8 diesels. If Ford thinks I am going to buy a largely untested twin turbo 6.4L V8 diesel in 2007, they've got another thing coming. I'm taking this issue into my own hands...
Have you noticed how Cummins brags about their engine testing when they release an engine ? They say things like "tested for 4000 hours at WOT". I never hear IH making the same claims. Hmmm.... makes ya think...
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Not all are dieing for a Cummons. I could care less. They all have problems. But IH makes awesome engines. It is what Ford does to them after. I beleive DCX buys not only the engine but the electricle harness from Cummons? I dont know. The problem is that Ford takes over once the engine is built and should have let IH do the electrical as well.
To say IH is junk is uneducated at best.
Tired of v8 diesels? THough you dont own any? Regardless, just how many non V8 diesels are there out there? I believe that the huge majority are V8. I6 are made by Cummons and almost no one else. Would love to see commons come out with a V8. Would shut up you Cummons guys...for the most part.
Your not buying Ford diesels anyway, so what do you care about the 6.4?
I beleive they all have extrenuous testing and go 250k to 300k before major overhauls are needed. I dont think the cummons is sleeved anymore either is it?
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are you going to tow a 8 horse trailer with one of those pos's. And mods im not bashing anyone, i just think the engine is week for anything except empty driving
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2002 F-250 S/C Auto, 4X4, longbed, Dual Turboback Exhaust from Brighton Radiator, TS 6 position chip(Stock-Fuel7) Tymar Intake.Acetoned emblems. Boost pyro tranny C2 autometer guages with pillar mount(Follow the light)40000Miles
2004.5 Polaris 600 Sportsman. DONT FALL IN THE TRAP DEMOCRATS ARE FULL OF CRAP some call me redneck, some call me trash, some call me a true American that'll kick your... God bless the U.S.
Is'nt it nice that you can come over here and post about the 6.0 issues. But we have to pay $30 a year or something to be able to post at TDR let alone even peer into their 911 section?
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Sheer morbid curiousity made me go look at those sites..... What jumped out at me was:
1) (TDR link) The number of low mileage trucks that needed lift pumps; and
2) (Schoolbusfleet link) The number of comments about the 5.9 not being strong enough for use in medium duty applications..... (Isn't that one of the most widely quoted comments the Dodge boys use?? That their engine is a "true medium duty" engine and that the IH "light duty" engine?? [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif[/img]) Kinda shoots a hole in their argument, doesn't it?? The cracked block issue doesn't sound too good either......
__________________ 2003 Toreador Red/Arizona Beige CC, DRW, Lariat, FX4, 6.0 PSD, Torqshift, born early Feb. 03; AIC; MBRP turbo-back exhaust; SCT with tuning by Tony Wildman (Total Diesel Performance) & River City Diesel; ARP studs, 155 sticks & some other work by River City Diesel; Dfuser regulated return; AFE PG7; Fumoto valve; B&W hitch, Di-Pricol gauges; DIESELSITE Coolant filter; Timbrens; Rancho RSXs; Michelin XPS Traction's; a whole bunch of "bling"; Connex 4300hp; Pioneer DEH6100BT, JL Audio 275w amp driving a 12" sub, JL Audio 50wx4 amp driving the Alpine door and rear seat speakers. 380.3hp/786.7ft-lbs (on my tow tune!)
i for one would love to see an inline 6 diesel engine in the ford just because they are much easier to work on. the v-8s are so wedged in! same with the old v-8 big truck diesels. torgue is torgue and the 6 does the same job as a v-8. ford did own part of cummins, but sold it off. my last E cat,,a 550, had its share of problems. it was back to cat twice with problems,,all electrical. most of the problems i see here are related to souping up a good engine. stop your whining! pay the piper!!! this "lo end torque problem" is a bit of a pain,,sure makes you think when pulling out into traffic. but the cummings guys have the same problem. they just wont put out the power until the turbo spools up. thanks EPA. they just wont allow the coal to be shoved until the boost is there to keep it smoke free. most of you guys werent born when i had the old 425 cat 1693. it was king of the road and i was stopped and told to never come into a certain georgia town and short shift it and stand on her again. hell, they would belch a cloud of black smoke that would stop traffic behind it!! and it would make the damnest rattle at 1200-1300 rpm. this engine went for over 1,000,000 with 50,000 mile oil changes using amsoil. then it only needed a re-con head and it went on for another 400,000! the only issue was the check valves that retained line pressure between injections. after that, it was never in a cat shop ,,no electicals to screw up in that great engine. same with the 600 kta cummins.hell, that engine had rod bearings that were bigger than any other truck engine i ever saw main bearings. 1150 cubic inches of pure power! but, i would bet that ford is going to stick with the cramed in V_8.
I have an 05' 6.0L crew 4x4 loaded to the gills. I have owned several 7.3's and I also own an 04' Dura-max. I love Ford trucks mainly because they take what I dish out. If I had to pick any current diesel for my Ford it would be the Dura-max.
What I don't like about the 6.0L PSD
1. Low end dead pedal feel. (if you need a quick burst to get into traffic you have to think twice)
2. with a 12,000lb trailer at 75mph on an uphill the 7.3 rips the 6.0 a new a-hole.
3. For the guy who put the water seperator under the driver seat in the frame rail........Here's your sign.
4. Fuel milage does not even come close to my Dura-max.
What I love about the 05' Ford.
1. Love the ride of the coil front end.
2. Turning radius is nice.
3. Love the tow command and tow haul on the tranny.
4. Continnental Tires are awesome and actually work in the snow.
The truck/chassis is first class all the way. The 6.0L engine is without doubt in my mind a step backwards.
Hmmmmm, Navistar buys MWM diesel engine corp. They make the I6 engines in the Superduties in Australia. Wouldn't mind having one of them either!! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smokin.gif[/img]
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05 Expedition 5.4 3 valve. (It does better in the mileage catagory on the interstate than my 6.0 EVER did!!!!)
GONE!!!!!!2003 F250 CC 4x4 <font color="red"> 6.0 PSD</font> 6 Speed, 3.73 XLT Dark Shadow Gray ,Moonroof, Camper Package, Skid plates ect. (Gutless PIG from idle to 1800) May 12th 03 build week. 122,000 miles as of 01/01/07......... 4" exhaust and AFE intake b&w turnover ball.
Flashed 6 times, EGR cooler replaced, VVRT solenoid replaced, Turbo Ped Replaced, EGR valve replaced 2X NO LEAKS!!! 8 new injectors, new fuel pump, new FICM, new ball joints, Exaust manifold gaskets, both front wheel bearing assy's, The list goes on and on!!!
Former trucks:
89 F250 2wd 7.3 5spd with 256K when sold
94 F250 4X4 IDI Turbo 7.3 5 spd 160K when sold
95 F250 S/C 4x4 PSD 5 spd with 146K when sold
00 F250 C/C 4X4 PSD 6 Spd with 126K when sold (160K now)
None of these trucks EVER spent a day in the shop!!!!
I do not care how many cylinders it has. To me the point is to operate 400,000 miles without a rebuild or overhaul, to haul pretty good, to accelerate pretty good and to wake my neighbors when I start it first time every time at 4:30 A.M. on January 5 when it is 30 G.D. degrees below zero. It also has to stay on the road. I can't use it when it is in the shop, warranty or no warranty.
Ford seems to have lost the knack. Hopefully they will get it back soon. I am hoping that the new 6.4L will not be so great a departure that Ford has to repeat the tortures of the 2003 days to get a dependable engine into production. But if that takes the elogance and simplicity of a straight 6 why should I care?
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2003 Toreador Red/Arizona Beige CC, DRW, Lariat, FX4, 6.0 PSD, Torqshift, born early Feb. 03; AIC; MBRP turbo-back exhaust; SCT with tuning by Tony Wildman (Total Diesel Performance) & River City Diesel; ARP studs, 155 sticks & some other work by River City Diesel; Dfuser regulated return; AFE PG7; Fumoto valve; B&W hitch, Di-Pricol gauges; DIESELSITE Coolant filter; Timbrens; Rancho RSXs; Michelin XPS Traction's; a whole bunch of "bling"; Connex 4300hp; Pioneer DEH6100BT, JL Audio 275w amp driving a 12" sub, JL Audio 50wx4 amp driving the Alpine door and rear seat speakers. 380.3hp/786.7ft-lbs (on my tow tune!)
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