American Pet Registry - Diesel Forum

GEARJAMMER · 12-31-2008, 05:24 PM

I'm looking to buy a new Blood Hound puppy. I've found one but it's not AKC registered it's American Pet Registry which I've never heard of. How many kennel clubs are out there and what's the difference?

Thanks,

Shawn

chuckster57 · 12-31-2008, 05:58 PM

The Difference Between the American Kennel Club

Understand that it is from the kennels perspective.

GEARJAMMER · 01-01-2009, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by chuckster57

The Difference Between the American Kennel Club

Understand that it is from the kennels perspective.

Thanks, I had already seen that. I Googled the subject. I don't normally take as truth what I find on the Internet. I was hoping someone had experience they'd share on this.

Shawn

**SmokeyWren** · 01-01-2009, 11:18 AM

We always neuter our puppies, so we don't bother to register them. But I still want to be sure they are pure blood, so I insist on receiving the papers that will let me register them with AKC. So then I know that Darling Wife's Pomeranian is really a Pom and not a PooPom or some such. And next week I'll begin searching for a Golden Retriever puppy. Same rules. I want the papers to prove it's elgible for AKC registration, but I won't send them in to AKC. I leave the breeding up to the breeders.

LMJD · 01-01-2009, 11:19 AM

I'm inclined to agree with the AKC statements. They do put on the AKC sanctioned shows, maintain breeding records, etc. The AKC is THE one that sets the standards (physical conformation, etc) for all the breeds. I don't know much about the dog scene, but the same thing takes place in the horse world. There's a grade horse (unknown, unregistered bloodlines, unknown breed) registry, a half Arabian registry and on and on and they serve no purpose other than providing a registry for whatever the owner happens to own. As opposed to all those is the AQHA and other genuine breed registries, and like the AKC, they provide pedigree searches, sanction performance events, they maintain and provide documentation of generations of bloodlines so you have a clue what your buying, for example 5 generations of top notch performance cowhorse breeding indicates your generally getting a cowy athletic colt versus the halter horse bloodlines. Most importantly, they require proof of ancestry, proof of physical requirements, etc, that meet the breed's standards before you can register your mare's colt (or puppy?).

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and what's the difference?

The difference is the REAL registrys, dogs, horses, cattle, you name it, "police" their breeds and make sure the breeding stays honest, purebred, etc, (at least as best they can.)

ktpauley · 01-01-2009, 04:41 PM

I agree with LMJD. We used to show dogs at AKC sanctioned events. Another part about registering a litter is if the stud dog is over 12 years old they require a fertility test. The semen needs to be examined for motility, and numbers. The breed standard is to keep the breed as close to what the dog was originally bred to do. A Great Dane was bred to hunt wild boar. That is why they have a deep chest. It is also why their ears are cropped, so the boar can'y grab them. Keith

LMJD · 01-02-2009, 09:13 AM

With all that said, I bet Ktpauley will agree, the average guy can get a great dog that's not necessarily registered. I bought my first Blue Heeler from a cute 12 year old girl whose father let her raise a litter of puppies. I paid $25 and he was typie and worked cows better than most for the 16 1/2 years I had him. On the other hand, I got to know a really nice guy from Portland, Or. area who'd show up at a yearly colt training clinic I always went to. His wife was big in the Blue Heeler show dog world and the national champion heeler lived in his area so we liked talking cowdogs. When I asked him how he worked, he said he'd probably never seen a cow in his life, they're just judged on conformation, etc, nothing really real-world practical.
Point being, I hope I didn't sound like anything that's not AKC registered is a piece of crap.

Quite a few friends of mine have gotten terrific Border Collies, etc, from our local animal shelter.

GEARJAMMER · 01-04-2009, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by LMJD

With all that said, I bet Ktpauley will agree, the average guy can get a great dog that's not necessarily registered. I bought my first Blue Heeler from a cute 12 year old girl whose father let her raise a litter of puppies. I paid $25 and he was typie and worked cows better than most for the 16 1/2 years I had him. On the other hand, I got to know a really nice guy from Portland, Or. area who'd show up at a yearly colt training clinic I always went to. His wife was big in the Blue Heeler show dog world and the national champion heeler lived in his area so we liked talking cowdogs. When I asked him how he worked, he said he'd probably never seen a cow in his life, they're just judged on conformation, etc, nothing really real-world practical.
Point being, I hope I didn't sound like anything that's not AKC registered is a piece of crap.

Quite a few friends of mine have gotten terrific Border Collies, etc, from our local animal shelter.

I have had some great dogs that have been nothing more than dumped strays. Happens all of the time where I live, out in a rural setting.

I want to raise tracking and rescue hounds and because of genetic defects in the blood hound it's probably best that I go with an AKC registered dog.

Shawn

LMJD · 01-04-2009, 11:00 AM

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I want to raise tracking and rescue hounds and because of genetic defects in the blood hound it's probably best that I go with an AKC registered dog.

Without a doubt. My wife was researching a breed a while back, and separating the B.S. from the true facts as best she could, that's exactly what she learned. There were a lot of recessive genes (defects) that surface in the "run of the mill" dogs as opposed to the AKC dogs.

A buddy of mine got into the tracking and rescue thing a few years ago and I guess he's really hooked on it. He's permanently in a wheelchair due to a spinal cord injury but he gets around and has more fun than many of us "upright" people. Hope you find what you want and enjoy doing it.

Dan V · 01-09-2009, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by GEARJAMMER

I want to raise tracking and rescue hounds and because of genetic defects in the blood hound it's probably best that I go with an AKC registered dog.

Shawn

Shawn,

If you do much research on the hound breeds, you'll quickly find out that the performance dogs are registered UKC. United Kennel Club.

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Originally Posted by LMJD

The AKC is THE one that sets the standards (physical conformation, etc) for all the breeds.

That is not the case at all. Each of the AKC breed specific Parent clubs are responsible for their standard.

ktpauley · 01-11-2009, 12:02 PM

LMJD, you are correct. You can get an AKC registerewd dog that has no clue what they were bred for. We have Whippets that are periodically shown. Where we live every once in a while a groundhog will find its way into the yard. Let's just say I need to get rid of the corpse. I don't find any holes in the dogs, or the groundhog torn up. The dogs chase it and break it's neck. that is exactly what the were bred for originally in England. Hunting small game by running it down and breaking it's neck. Keith

LMJD · 01-11-2009, 01:20 PM

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that is exactly what the were bred for originally in England. Hunting small game by running it down and breaking it's neck. Keith

That's interesting, I had no idea what they were originally bred for. I knew a woman that had two of them (rescue deal), and knowing her, I'm sure she wasn't stingy with the feed but no matter what they always stayed thin as a rail. That too must be in the breeding. I bet they can cover some ground when they want to.