6.4L Power Stroke Engine and DrivetrainDiscussion of the 6.4L Power Stroke diesel engine and drivetrain in the 2008 Super-Duty trucks. No gas engine discussion allowed except on transmissions and drivetrain that pertain to all models. Please confine discussion of topics in this forum to those items that are specific to the 6.4L Power Stroke engine.
Anybody see the article on the '08 Ford Super Duty recall. Apparently there have been a few vehicles with flames shooting out of the tail pipe from unburnt fuel making it to the particualte filter near the end of the tail pipe and then igniting. Ford says it is from leaking injectors and a cracked up pipe on the turbo. Don't know about you, but I like the "flames out the tail pipe," might get some of those folks who ride your tail to back off. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif[/img]
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2004 F350 Crew XLT 4x4 long box, SRW, 3.73 Gears
Bone Stock
So we are trading rolling black smoke for flames out the tailpipe? This sounds interesting!! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/phoney.gif[/img]
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2006 Dark Slate F350 CC LB 6X6 Lariat Complete with training wheels. Vegetarian, an old indian word for bad hunter!
K&N Intake, Ragin' Coolant filter, SCT from ID, Recon smoked LED tail lights, clearance lights, Center bumper LED's, and Fat fender smoked LED lights, Pressure pro TPMS, Firestone Ride rite bags, Alpine/Infinity/Polk sound system W/Sirius, Autometer Phantom EGT,Trans,Boost gauges above the rearview mirror.
I read about this this afternoon. The explanation from Ford was the cracked turbocharger shaft happened with outside air temperature 20 degrees below ZERO and no warm-up was allowed. The cracked injectors happened as a result of overtorqueing of the injectors during installation(does not sound like Ford's fault to me, though Ford reacted quickly when descrepency discovered).
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Reese Signature Series 24k fiver hitch, I installed it myself, best hitch I have found yet
Line-X bedliner, heavy duty floor mats
2003 Sunline F281SR(weekend getaways)
SeaRay 215EC http://community.webshots.com/user/C...host=community
its merely a reflash thats suppost to correct this. well! we'll see want we. one of the techs on our message board said it caused a grass fire down in Texas.
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its merely a reflash thats suppost to correct this. well! we'll see want we. one of the techs on our message board said it caused a grass fire down in Texas.
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Forgive my ignorance, but can someone tell me how their proposed flash is going to fix one problem without creating another problem?
I ask this because from my understanding, the exhaust is designed to generate the heat needed to burn the soot off. The problem with the flame happens when there's a fuel leak.
So Ford's plan is to retard the performance when it senses the extra heat that's needed to burn the soot out. So how is that a fix or even a bandaid? It seems to prevent a possible flame, Ford is compromising the design to burn soot in addition to the lose of performance when this happens.
From the way I see it, this problem is similar, maybe worse then the pilot injection that was killed in the 6L PSD because of all the romping and smoking.
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I read about this this afternoon. The explanation from Ford was the cracked turbocharger shaft happened with outside air temperature 20 degrees below ZERO and no warm-up was allowed. The cracked injectors happened as a result of overtorqueing of the injectors during installation(does not sound like Ford's fault to me, though Ford reacted quickly when descrepency discovered).
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So what the heck will a reflash do for a cracked turbo shaft and leaking injectors? Are they going to rob power to avoid replacing a bunch of injectors? I can see how the engine can be detuned until it reaches a certain temp but if the injectors were over torqued, the damage has been done and nothing short of injector removal and possible replacement will fix it. Not to mention a sub standard turbo shaft that might crack unless the conditions are just right.
I'm having flashbacks of the 2003 6.0 and Ford's crappy attitude regarding warranty repairs, but maybe it's just me.
DZ
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2001 F250 Lariat, Super Cab, Shorty, 4x4, Harvest Gold, 7.3PSD, BTS Auto, 373 Posi, Tow & Camper Pkg, Heated Bun Warmers, 6 Disk With Kicker, Alpine, & Kenwood, TTM, Isspro EV, Gutted EBV, BB turbo, LED's, ARE Topper, Oilguard Bypass Filter, Coolant Filter, Tymar Intake, DP Chip, (Kim Lux's Lousy Injectors-GONE), Mini Me's, Water Injection, BWD Spearco 6.0 Intercooler, DP 6 position chip, live Tuning, DI FASS System, And A Few Other Toys. Factory Installed Knock. (PMT3) More To Come:
460/950 Corrected Prior To Water Injection and Spearco IC.
13.974 @ 95.65mph on PMR's
'07 Duramax Classic, Leather, Sunroof, Bone Stock.
in 10,000,000 miles of testing this never happened?
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maybe it was 10,000,000 miles of testing on 10,000,000 trucks ?
i find it very hard to believe that these problems didnt show up in the test mules.
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'99 e-300 turbo diesel benz, silver, wife s ride
'77 450SL benz in the family since new.
'06 gmc 3500 dmax/allison, cc, slt. black/dark pewter int.
'91 350sdl turbo diesel benz
'06 mazda 6, daughter s ride.
'89 560sl benz, it s official, i m outta room in the driveway.
Here we go again! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif[/img]
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So Ford's plan is to retard the performance when it senses the extra heat that's needed to burn the soot out. So how is that a fix or even a bandaid? It seems to prevent a possible flame, Ford is compromising the design to burn soot in addition to the lose of performance when this happens.
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First off, reading between the lines, I don't think they *have* a complete plan yet. It sounds like they are recalling the trucks to get a new calibration... that they are going to quickly try to write and test starting now! But if I understood correctly what they were saying, they would cut power *only* in the case of soaring (out of spec) temps in the DPF. In other words, only in the rare instance of a regen with a fuel leak, not during all regens.
So yeah, it's fixing the symptoms not the cause, but only in the rare set of circumstances that creates the flaming tailpipe. Kind of like a fire suppression system, but operating on the fuel source not the air source.
Not good, not good at all, but not what everyone's painting it as, comparing it to when they took pilot injection away to save the cost of new injectors. (A very sore point with me personally, by the way!)
Duncan
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Im not gonna take mine in for the flash until I see how it all goes.. I have 2400 on my truck and love it...
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I feel exactly the same. Mine runs so well that I don't want anybody to do anything to it. 6.0's and 7.3's were nice but I don't miss them after spending time in the '08.
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First off, reading between the lines, I don't think they *have* a complete plan yet. It sounds like they are recalling the trucks to get a new calibration... that they are going to quickly try to write and test starting now! But if I understood correctly what they were saying, they would cut power *only* in the case of soaring (out of spec) temps in the DPF. In other words, only in the rare instance of a regen with a fuel leak, not during all regens.
So yeah, it's fixing the symptoms not the cause, but only in the rare set of circumstances that creates the flaming tailpipe. Kind of like a fire suppression system, but operating on the fuel source not the air source.
Not good, not good at all, but not what everyone's painting it as, comparing it to when they took pilot injection away to save the cost of new injectors. (A very sore point with me personally, by the way!)
Duncan
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Considering power is already reduced during a normal regen, it will be interesting to see how much more they plan on reducing it during these "special regen circumstances".
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SAFETY RECALL
07S49 DEMONSTRATION/DELIVERY HOLD:
Certain 2008 F-250/350/450/550 Vehicles Equipped with a 6.4L Diesel Engine - Powertrain Control Module Recalibration
Frank M. Ligon
Director
Service Engineering Operations
Ford Customer Service Division
Ford Motor Company
P.O. Box 1904
Dearborn, Michigan 48121
March 21, 2007
TO: All U.S. Ford and Lincoln Mercury Dealers
SUBJECT: ADVANCE NOTICE: DEMONSTRATION / DELIVERY HOLD: Safety Recall 07S49:
Certain 2008 F-250/350/450/550 Vehicles Equipped with a 6.4L Diesel Engine
Powertrain Control Module Recalibration
AFFECTED VEHICLES
Certain 2008 F-250/350/450/550 vehicles equipped with a 6.4L diesel engine, built at the Kentucky Truck Plant from Job #1 through March 9, 2007. Affected vehicles are identified in OASIS. In addition, for a list of vehicles assigned to your dealership, visit https://web.fsavinlists.dealerconnection.com. This information will be available on March 21, 2007.
REASON FOR THIS SAFETY RECALL
To prevent the occurrence of excessive heat in the exhaust system or potential flame from the tailpipe, a revised PCM calibration is being developed.
SERVICE ACTION
DO NOT DEMONSTRATE OR DELIVER any of the affected vehicles involved in this safety recall. A new PCM calibration is being developed as described above. A complete Dealer Bulletin will be provided on Friday March 23, 2007 or as soon as the PCM recalibration software and repair instructions are available to support this safety recall.
CUSTOMER NOTIFICATION
Owners of record will be notified via first-class mail after repair instructions have been provided to dealers.
OASIS
Consult OASIS for affected vehicles. FSA VIN listings for unsold vehicles will be available March 21, 2007.
PLEASE NOTE:
Federal law requires dealers to complete this recall service before a new vehicle is delivered to the buyer or lessee. Violation of this requirement by a dealer could result in a civil penalty of up to $5,000 per vehicle. Correct all vehicles in your new vehicle inventory prior to delivery.
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05 Expedition 5.4 3 valve. (It does better in the mileage catagory on the interstate than my 6.0 EVER did!!!!)
GONE!!!!!!2003 F250 CC 4x4 <font color="red"> 6.0 PSD</font> 6 Speed, 3.73 XLT Dark Shadow Gray ,Moonroof, Camper Package, Skid plates ect. (Gutless PIG from idle to 1800) May 12th 03 build week. 122,000 miles as of 01/01/07......... 4" exhaust and AFE intake b&w turnover ball.
Flashed 6 times, EGR cooler replaced, VVRT solenoid replaced, Turbo Ped Replaced, EGR valve replaced 2X NO LEAKS!!! 8 new injectors, new fuel pump, new FICM, new ball joints, Exaust manifold gaskets, both front wheel bearing assy's, The list goes on and on!!!
Former trucks:
89 F250 2wd 7.3 5spd with 256K when sold
94 F250 4X4 IDI Turbo 7.3 5 spd 160K when sold
95 F250 S/C 4x4 PSD 5 spd with 146K when sold
00 F250 C/C 4X4 PSD 6 Spd with 126K when sold (160K now)
None of these trucks EVER spent a day in the shop!!!!
'04 F-250 Harley-Davidson 6.0L CC SB 
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