6.4L Power Stroke Engine and DrivetrainDiscussion of the 6.4L Power Stroke diesel engine and drivetrain in the 2008 Super-Duty trucks. No gas engine discussion allowed except on transmissions and drivetrain that pertain to all models. Please confine discussion of topics in this forum to those items that are specific to the 6.4L Power Stroke engine.
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So..... do you guys think this truck is gonna be good to go from day one with 10 million miles of testing? I even heard that this truck has been ready for a year, but delayed for the testing..... We all know Ford took a beating on the 6.0L in warranty costs....
I have to say..... I'm really excited about this truck. It comes with a ton of options that I had to do my truck myself!
[/ QUOTE ]I think I read the same hyperbole about the time of the 6.0 introduction. Wait for the models to be introduced and for the froth to die down. If you need to get one, wait 'til next summer when fuel is over $3/gallon and nobody is cavalierly buying heavy pickups. By then you will know a little more about the strengths and weaknesses of this engine in Ford's implementation.
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The engine will still most likely have programing changes right up until ship date. I know for a fact that they were on the Dyno over 2 years ago. I saw camera phone pictures from someone who works there.
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10 million miles on the dyno times how many trucks though? They might have had hundreds of trucks on the dyno. I wonder how many had problems and what they were. This kind of info could help us later down the road.
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10 million miles on the dyno times how many trucks though? They might have had hundreds of trucks on the dyno. I wonder how many had problems and what they were. This kind of info could help us later down the road.
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I know the trucks we put cameo on were being driven around 600 miles daily.
Running different speeds,different loads in the box and towing.Also running in different climates.
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[ QUOTE ] You speak of "courtesy" toward Ford after the 6.0L debacle? "Courtesy" toward a company that just announced that it is shipping over 70,000 jobs oversees undermining the American worker? Ford has a bad track record in recent history. Yes, it is possible that they will straighten it all out. I hope so. Until I see signs of that I guess you and I will just have to disagree, Fobozz. Good luck to us both.
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And the Cummings you plan on buying till the so called "6.4 bugs are worked out". [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif[/img]
The Dodge truck is built in Mexico,so on one hand you complain that Ford is sending 70,000 overseas,then you talk about buying a truck from Mexico. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shrug.gif[/img]
And i work at KTP,and i believe this truck will be a good product.
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Also, the D/C truck is built in Mexico by a German company, so we know where the profits go, too.
The new D/C auto trans is made in Japan (Aisin). The manual trans is a M/B product (German). So now we have a German owned truck, made in Mexico with a Japanese or german transmission, Nippondenso electrical system (Japan) and Bosch (German)injection system.
Ford is as American as it can affor to be and remain in business (barely). Dodge sold out to the Germans years ago yet people here still think of them as an American company. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif[/img]
I haven't seen a diesel powered D/C pickup with a "1" as the first digit in the VIN for 6 years. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif[/img]
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I pray that between Ford and Navistar someone tested enough, and didnt try to force this thing through like the 6.0 in an attempt to make emissions standards and in turn cause the consumer problems and the loss of return customers when concerning the 6.0's that had major problems.
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The rushed the 6.0 to market not because of emissions but because they wanted braggin rights. Emissions changed over jan of 04 not nov of 02.
Having taken a peak at how much foreign content is in vehicles recently arguing about where they are built seems asinine.
I would love to buy a japanese vehicle actually built in japan.
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10 million miles on the dyno times how many trucks though? They might have had hundreds of trucks on the dyno. I wonder how many had problems and what they were. This kind of info could help us later down the road.
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Yep and hundreds of 6.4l engines. I didn't think they were in production yet.
A few prototypes is one thing. If fifty or a hundred were built, then it sounds like production has begun. For a short time anyway.
Seems more likely that the 10M figure was snatched out of the air because it sounded good. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shrug.gif[/img]
Does your RAM have a Cummins in it? I am semi-familiar with what's going on at the plant where the Ram version of the Cummins is built, and I thought that every engine built for 'production' went on a rack, and into a truck mounted container, soon to be rail-bound for Mexico.
It really is sad that the better built Dodge Rams are coming out of Mexico and not the US. What does this say about the American worker who makes at least three times what the Mexican workers are making and doesn't care about the quality of the product they are producing?
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Since this is my second Ford in two years I guess I may be convert.
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I pray that between Ford and Navistar someone tested enough, and didnt try to force this thing through like the 6.0 in an attempt to make emissions standards and in turn cause the consumer problems and the loss of return customers when concerning the 6.0's that had major problems.
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The rushed the 6.0 to market not because of emissions but because they wanted braggin rights. Emissions changed over jan of 04 not nov of 02.
Having taken a peak at how much foreign content is in vehicles recently arguing about where they are built seems asinine.
I would love to buy a japanese vehicle actually built in japan.
"Under the agreements lodged today with the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia, the companies will reduce significantly emissions from new heavy duty diesel engines by the end of the year and then meet levels beyond what the law requires by October 2002. The companies also will ensure that when older heavy duty diesel engines are rebuilt, their excess emissions will be reduced. The companies also will move up the date for meeting certain NOx emission standards applicable to non-road engines such as construction equipment."
then go here http://www.epa.gov/compliance/resour...navistarcd.pdf
and look in Appendix A and you see where the 7.3 and the 444's had this defect. The 7.3 would simply be too much of a hassle to make complient, thus it was dropped to meet what the "law requires by October 2002".
You've got to understand that the 7.3 was more than just a Ford truck engine, it was an Navistar-International engine in International trucks too, which is where some of these problems occured and needed to be taken care of.
So I'm still optimistic that the 6.4 is well tested maybe dare I say over tested.
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1994 Ford F350 replaced w/ 7.3 IDI, 4x4, E4OD, 3.73, Reg. Cab, DRW, Sevice Bed, 480k Miles (engine), 430k Miles (truck) (no rebuild, one Injector Pump),
1989 Ford F250 7.3 IDI, 4x4, E4OD, 3.73, Reg. Cab, Long Bed, 220k Miles
1985 Ford F250 6.9 IDI, 4x4, Man., 4.10 LS All Way Around, Reg. Cab, Long Bed, 440k Miles (no rebuild, one head gasket in lifetime, 3 Injector Pumps,a Million Clutches)
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It seems that the DMAX is the only proven one of the new diesels. It is the only one that has had shelf life of any of the 3.
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If you mean in light duty pick-up trucks yes, I must agree, however the Cummins 6.7 has been used in CaseIH and McCormick tractors for a couple years now... true thats not in a Dodge, but it has existed before it was introduced as a 5.9 replacement.
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1992 Ford F250 7.3 IDI, 4x4, E4OD, 4.10 LS All Way Around, Ext. Cab, Long Bed, 192k Miles, Rebuild 8/06 @ 178k Miles
1994 Ford F350 replaced w/ 7.3 IDI, 4x4, E4OD, 3.73, Reg. Cab, DRW, Sevice Bed, 480k Miles (engine), 430k Miles (truck) (no rebuild, one Injector Pump),
1989 Ford F250 7.3 IDI, 4x4, E4OD, 3.73, Reg. Cab, Long Bed, 220k Miles
1985 Ford F250 6.9 IDI, 4x4, Man., 4.10 LS All Way Around, Reg. Cab, Long Bed, 440k Miles (no rebuild, one head gasket in lifetime, 3 Injector Pumps,a Million Clutches)
I would say that with Ford dancing on the edge of bancruptcy they will put the money into research and development that needs to be there. They can't afford another 6.0 disaster. Ford really isn't shipping any jobs over seas they're just terminating them. True some small productions might end up somewhere else but, their primary objective is to get everything as close to Detroit as they can. I haul cars and most of the plants that are closing were kinda pointless considering the distance they had to ship parts. I know I haul from the superduty plant and the explorer plant in Louisville and one of the plants that got closed was making explorer's in St. Louis. That's just not smart to have another plant building the same exact thing less than three hundred miles away.
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