Thanks guys for the info. Yeah I think I'll pass on that truck. I use my current setup for farming and that 4.88 is nice for large loads of hay but otherwise it's always "racing" the engine. I don't think I want that again. Also the only reason for a 4.30 rear would be if I upgrade campers someday I don't want to be restricted due to truck limitations. I might have to look down there in NC. Around here it seems that the dealers aren't moving off the sticker near as much as other parts of the country. At another dealer that I have dealt with many times, I inquired about one when mine was in the shop. He said we're making great deals........how about 8k off sticker. Oh wow that is one heck of a deal

. I guess they're not too worried about selling trucks. Nice thing about all of this is, is that I don't really need a truck till next summer at the earliest so if I don't do anything no big deal. Save my money and put it in the bank. Again thanks for the info.