6.4L Power Stroke Engine and DrivetrainDiscussion of the 6.4L Power Stroke diesel engine and drivetrain in the 2008 Super-Duty trucks. No gas engine discussion allowed except on transmissions and drivetrain that pertain to all models. Please confine discussion of topics in this forum to those items that are specific to the 6.4L Power Stroke engine.
First off, Boeing is following Fords lead. Sir Richard Branson just flew his 747 on B25 (babassu oil and coconut oil) Bio-Jet. Promptly Boeing and GE notified him that they would not honor his warranty at any Boeing dealerships. Just Joking - at least where Boeing is concerned.
19k miles and the white smoke continues, wasted time after time at the dealer, 2 EGR valves so far and just 2 days out of the shop and the EGR has failed again. And each time the CEL comes on the computer goes into "limp home mode" so luckily I have not had my trailer on for then it would be, Get towed home mode. Reading on other forums it seems the egr is the new problem that is starting to appear and Ford is clueless. The technically inclined owners are looking at the idea of the egr cooler screwing up. Thus overheating the egr valve during regen, the valve should be closing but if it has an electrical fault due to excessive heat then it is killed. For it is not sticking due to carbon build up. Seems the egr has been a problem even with the 6.0. Wasn't casting sand found in the coolant and it was suspected that that clogged the egr cooler thus causing over heat failure??
Damn, I love my KR but at a $57k sticker price, I sure don't need to go down this road again, as I did with the last 2 6.0s.
And the driveline shudder is still there - Ford still has no fix.
Drove the new Chevy and was not impressed. Kind of like Dodge crappy quality on the cab but with a sticker price of a King Ranch. And the new Dodge 6.7 is really having its share of problems - emission orientated.
This is all while using ULSD - good thing I didn't fire up my Bio Diesel still. Good bye warranty, In fact I did see the mechanics take a sample of fuel and were smelling and tasting it - no problem for they just ate Mexican Burritos from the Roach Coach so their sense of taste and smell is all screwed up (but talk about some rotten gas in that shop!!!)
Problems are existant, and Ford needs to really work hard at fixing them, especially on a $50k+ truck. That said, it is a first run new emissions engine, and with all the extra challenges being thrown at them by the EPA this time around, it seems they are still doing better than the 6.0. Problems aren't nearly as widespread, and hopefully Ford will have them resolved before too long. It is a shame that this happens on such an expensive vehicle(or any vehicle at all for that matter), and Ford owes it to the consumer base, especially those who owned troublesome 6.0's, to make it right.
But even with that, if i had $50k lying around and NEEDED to buy a new truck, it would be the Ford. I've washed my hands of GM after all the troubles i've had with their vehicles, and the several times i've been stranded by dodge transmissions are still fresh in my mind.
First off, Boeing is following Fords lead. Sir Richard Branson just flew his 747 on B25 (babassu oil and coconut oil) Bio-Jet. Promptly Boeing and GE notified him that they would not honor his warranty at any Boeing dealerships. Just Joking - at least where Boeing is concerned.
19k miles and the white smoke continues, wasted time after time at the dealer, 2 EGR valves so far and just 2 days out of the shop and the EGR has failed again. And each time the CEL comes on the computer goes into "limp home mode" so luckily I have not had my trailer on for then it would be, Get towed home mode. Reading on other forums it seems the egr is the new problem that is starting to appear and Ford is clueless. The technically inclined owners are looking at the idea of the egr cooler screwing up. Thus overheating the egr valve during regen, the valve should be closing but if it has an electrical fault due to excessive heat then it is killed. For it is not sticking due to carbon build up. Seems the egr has been a problem even with the 6.0. Wasn't casting sand found in the coolant and it was suspected that that clogged the egr cooler thus causing over heat failure??
Damn, I love my KR but at a $57k sticker price, I sure don't need to go down this road again, as I did with the last 2 6.0s.
And the driveline shudder is still there - Ford still has no fix.
Drove the new Chevy and was not impressed. Kind of like Dodge crappy quality on the cab but with a sticker price of a King Ranch. And the new Dodge 6.7 is really having its share of problems - emission orientated.
This is all while using ULSD - good thing I didn't fire up my Bio Diesel still. Good bye warranty, In fact I did see the mechanics take a sample of fuel and were smelling and tasting it - no problem for they just ate Mexican Burritos from the Roach Coach so their sense of taste and smell is all screwed up (but talk about some rotten gas in that shop!!!)
Be nice...I work for Boeing. In actuality, I hope things get better for you. While I haven't had any issues with my truck at all, I recognize it frustrating for those who do. For over $50k, it just isn't fair.
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Point is: In So Cal, diesel is $3.90 a gallon and I can make Bio Diesel for $.70 a gallon - plus is eviormentally friendly. But let Ford catch you on that and bye - bye warranty. But, a 747, no problem. Although the environmental community claims that is a publicity ploy and the cure is to cut air traffic. Pisses me off for we are the guinea pigs. Go to Long Beach and look at all those old container haulers or the Mexican trucks. Even my Harley has to have emissions and cat exhaust. We be getting screwed
Last edited by Super Duty John : 03-01-2008 at 06:46 PM.
Reason: Please no political discussion or swearing, thanks.
Well, Port of Long Beach just passed a law making every diesel truck have a DPF and has to be newer than a 1999 model. A lot of truckers are in an uproar over this. They are charging a surcharge on every container to help pay for all this.
**when I posted this , I had some wrong info** I have posted some new and accurate info.
19k miles and the white smoke continues, wasted time after time at the dealer, 2 EGR valves so far and just 2 days out of the shop and the EGR has failed again. And each time the CEL comes on the computer goes into "limp home mode" so luckily I have not had my trailer on for then it would be, Get towed home mode. Reading on other forums it seems the egr is the new problem that is starting to appear and Ford is clueless. The technically inclined owners are looking at the idea of the egr cooler screwing up. Thus overheating the egr valve during regen, the valve should be closing but if it has an electrical fault due to excessive heat then it is killed. For it is not sticking due to carbon build up. Seems the egr has been a problem even with the 6.0. Wasn't casting sand found in the coolant and it was suspected that that clogged the egr cooler thus causing over heat failure??
And the driveline shudder is still there - Ford still has no fix.
This is all while using ULSD - good thing I didn't fire up my Bio Diesel still. Good bye warranty, In fact I did see the mechanics take a sample of fuel and were smelling and tasting it - no problem for they just ate Mexican Burritos from the Roach Coach so their sense of taste and smell is all screwed up (but talk about some rotten gas in that shop!!!)
The 6.4L seems to be a vast improvement over the 6.0L. This (and other) forums are relatively quiet. Dealers are saying that they are seeing fewer 08s. Supposedly warranty numbers are low as well.
The EGR valve is a big improvement over the 6.0L. If you keep failing valves, then there is something else wrong.
Do you buy fuel from the same place every time? Maybe their tank is contaminated.
I would NOT run home brew biodiesel. The piezo injectors and pump are sensitive to contamination. You complained about the problems on your $57k truck, but are willing to run fuel that it wasn't designed for?
Neighbors 6.4 truck got 8 new injectors after pushing water. Dealer paid for 4 and labor, he bought a new truck. I would get an old 12 valve if you want to run bio.
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Long Beach Approves Clean Trucks Plan
Port moves forward with groundbreaking clean-air program
In a victory for clean air, the Long Beach Board of Harbor Commissioners voted Tuesday, February 19, 2008, to approve key elements of a landmark Clean Trucks Program that will replace and modernize the entire port trucking fleet to slash truck-related air pollution by 80 percent within four years.
After listening to testimony for more than five hours, the Port of Long Beach Commissioners voted unanimously to adopt a truck concession requirement that will help identify "clean" trucks, ensure reliable short-haul ("drayage") service, and improve air quality, security and safety. Only "clean" concession trucks will be allowed to work at the Port of Long Beach.
The concession requirement allows employee drivers, independent contractor drivers or a combination of employee and contractor drivers to work the Port -- as they do now. But for the first time, the port trucking industry will be required to meet clean truck, maintenance, security and health insurance requirements. Commissioners also finalized a $2 billion subsidy program to finance the lease or purchase of clean trucks.
"Today, the Port has taken a monumental step to improve air quality and protect the health of the entire community," said Mario Cordero, President of the Long Beach Board of Harbor Commissioners. "We have worked closely with many community, environmental and business groups, and this plan incorporates their strongest ideas. This the most ambitious, far-reaching clean-air plan ever undertaken by any seaport."
The Commissioners on Tuesday also adopted several other elements of the Clean Trucks Program:
· A revision of the start date for the collection of the Clean Trucks cargo fee to October 1, 2008, to allow time for distribution of radio-frequency identification tags and reader installation.
· Linkage of the Clean Trucks $35 per twenty-foot container unit (TEU) cargo fee and the Port's $15 per TEU infrastructure cargo fee. This change will ensure that the dirty trucks are cleaned up before new infrastructure is built with cargo fee dollars.
· An exemption or partial exemption on the Clean Truck cargo fee for cargo owners who use clean trucks acquired without financing from the Port.
The concessions require Licensed Motor Carriers (LMCs) register their drivers and trucks with the Port, and tag their vehicles with radio-frequency identification devices so the Port can monitor compliance. The LMCs will be required to meet clean truck, security, maintenance and health insurance requirements. The Port will soon announce details on registration.
The elements approved February 19 are key pieces of a sweeping program that has been systematically adopted through several Board votes. In November 2007, the Long Beach and Los Angeles Boards of Harbor Commissioners approved a ban on pre-1989 trucks beginning October 1, 2008. By January 1, 2010, only trucks built after 1993 will be allowed into port shipping terminals, and by January 1, 2012 all trucks must meet 2007 federal emission standards that make new trucks more than 80 percent less polluting than older trucks.
In December 2007, the Commissions approved the cargo fee to accelerate the replacement of the drayage fleet that serves the Port. The fee will end when the fleet of drayage trucks meets Clean Air Action Plan (CAAP) requirements in about 2012. The Port will use the funds to help drivers get new cleaner trucks and ensure that the old, polluting trucks will be scrapped and taken out of circulation, rather than continue to work outside the ports.
While the Port does not own or operate the more than 16,000 drayage trucks that serve Port terminals, the Clean Trucks Program will greatly accelerate the reduction of air pollution and public health risks posed by dirty diesel trucks that would otherwise remain on the roadways for many years if not decades.
The Port of Long Beach is one of the world's busiest seaports, a leader in the goods movement industry and a pioneering environmental steward
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