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6.4L Power Stroke Engine and Drivetrain Discussion of the 6.4L Power Stroke diesel engine and drivetrain in the 2008 Super-Duty trucks. No gas engine discussion allowed except on transmissions and drivetrain that pertain to all models. Please confine discussion of topics in this forum to those items that are specific to the 6.4L Power Stroke engine.

       
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Old 02-24-2008, 09:03 AM   #31 (permalink)
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in ct all they will sell is ulsd at the pumps not even off road diesel
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OK, two new bits of information:

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This morning I spoke about the LSD retrofit kit with the guy in the RV park who recently retired from Ford engine development. He said he will ask his contact who still works in the engine plant if he can get a part number and how to obtain the kit. HOWEVER, it could take a week to get the information because the guy is involved in some sort of project at the plant for a few days and my contact doesn't want to bother him with an issue like this for a few days.

My contact at the RV park did confirm though that a pre-programmed chip, or a calibration reflashing instruction, is part of the kit. It is not just a matter of changing the pipe. He also said that it is unlikely that the kit can be obtained in the USA because it would be illegal to sell it there. It would have to be purchased outside the USA, probably from a Mexican Ford dealer.

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For the past few days there has been a PGA Golf tournament going on here in Playa Del Carmen and there were a number of 2008 Ford pickups, which belonged to the organizers, in the carpark. I didn't see them myself, but a friend who was volunteering at the tournament saw them and asked a driver whether he knew that he wasn't supposed to use high sulfur Mexican diesel in the truck.

The driver replied something like "It got me down here OK, it's driving me around locally OK, and it will get me back OK". This is consistent with the experience of other owners of Fords, GMs, and Dodges, who have taken their 2007 and 08 pickups into Mexico. No Problemo.
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Old 02-24-2008, 11:36 AM   #33 (permalink)
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The Ford parts catalog list a pipe that replaces the DPF and cat. That part is not available here in the US. A Mexican Ford dealer could sell it to you though.

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I just talked with a guy at Ford engineering. I was told that there is no retrofit kit even though it is listed in the owner's manual. I was told tha if you are running high sulfur fuel to use a cetane additive and that will help. In order to run in countries with high sulfur fuel, the truck has to be ordered from the factory with a special export code. This code will tell the factory to program the computer differently disabling the regen (doesn't make sense to me because the DPF will get clogged anyway). Also, the truck would then be issued an export VIN number so it cannot be titled in the states.
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This is just not true. On my recent trip from GA to CT, I had a devil of time finding ULSD in certain areas. I drove in and out of at least half a dozen stations that only had LSD. I also wouldn't consider the North east out in the boonies to not have ULSD.
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There is plenty LSD still being sold out there. The local Walmart here sells it.
I believe what you are seeing is pumps with LSD signs but it is actually ULSD. Alot of stations don't keep their signs up 2 date. I believe all stations in the US are currently selling ULSD only.
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> A lot of stations don't keep their signs up 2 date.

Stations have an incentive to keep them accurate. Quoting from

www.marama.org/diesel/ULSD/ULSD_issue_paper.pdf

"The new standards provide strong incentives for suppliers to provide the proper ULSD fuel formulation.
Civil penalties of up to $32,500 per violation per day can be assessed for non-compliance with EPA’s ULSD
fuel standards, or for misrepresentation of the sulfur level of diesel fuel."

Also see www.epa.gov/OMS/renewablefuels/420b07019.pdf for the big stick (for biodiesel makers):

...for a civil penalty of up to $32500 per day per violation (see 40 CFR 80.5)

and quoting from the EPA Pump Labeling Fact sheet at http://www.ndpetroleum.org/News/Pump...%2012-8-06.pdf

"Enforcement Process When A Pump Labeling Violation is Found
When EPA determines that a retailer or wholesale purchaser-consumer has violated the diesel
pump labeling or downgrading limits, the Agency may commence an enforcement action,
including the collection of a civil penalty, against the person who owns, leases, operates, controls
or supervises the facility where the violation was found. EPA may assess a civil penalty of up to
$32,500 per day for each labeling or downgrading violation, plus the economic benefit or savings
resulting from the violations."

though www.epa.gov/compliance/resources/policies/civil/penalty/penaltymod-memo.pdf

says their may be caps to the penalties.

> I believe all stations in the US are currently selling ULSD only.

Sorry, not true yet...

Just to repeat, aside from Alaska and California, ULSD isn't *required* in all states until December 2010, though 80% of a refinery's output today must be ULSD. If you don't see a ULSD sticker you should assume that it is still LSD (as I discovered at a Las Vegas truck stop). All diesel sold in California is already ULSD. See

Ultra Low Sulfur Diesel will be the primary highway diesel fuel produced - Clean Diesel Fuel Alliance

for the gory details.
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Flying J has signs posted over their pump lanes "Low Sulfur" or "Ultra Low Sulfur." I would think that with the amount of fuel sold there there is a reason they have signs posted.
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