Blown Engine - i dont think im alone - Diesel Forum

5murfz · 10-26-2007, 02:55 PM

So after 3 weeks in the shop they finally admitted i needed a new engine.

it all started with white smoke, then fuel mileage that kept getting worse and worse, then while heading out of town with the family on vacation i got an engine light and then immediate shut down.

Waited 3 hours for a flat bed thru ford towing service. Then they tried to deny me a rental car. " sorry sir your warranty doesnt cover car rental" were his words. i demanded to see the manager then they stepped up but said only for a few days.

Then they tried to give me the beautiful Chevy Aveo, which i refused to drive. after arguing for 45 minutes i got a dodge 4 door POS. later complained and "upgraded" to an Edge.

Meanwhile back at Ford, first they replaced the computer, then said it was high pressure fuel pump (which required removal of the CAB), then Glow plugs, then Injectors, then they discovered 3 buckets of diesel fuel in the casing, then waited 4 days for them to find the correct tool to do a compression test. And finally yesterday (3 weeks later), they have ordered a new engine.

i checked the lemon law and i have to wait until 30 days.

I also have a friend who went thru same issue but they denied the lemon law claim. They are now in litigation.

I love my new truck (6 months old with 10,000 miles)

yougotme · 10-26-2007, 03:20 PM

bummer, hope you get your truck back soon.

Texrob1 · 10-26-2007, 03:39 PM

Do they have any idea what caused all this?

texasquail · 10-26-2007, 03:58 PM

I am going to get slammed on this....but hear me out.

Is it just me, or are there a lot of problems with Fords that simply cannot be explained? I mean, major problems? I read and read.....and it is always something wrong with a Ford truck.

When these things are running right, they are absolutely killer. But unless you are a master Ford Mechanic with your own garage....they leave you miffed and sometimes stranded.

I was a gm guy that went to ford and was happy until my diesel started giving me problems. About to sell it and buy a duramax.

Look, Fords are a bigger..stronger...and tougher truck. But maybe you sacrifice something with that?

Anyway, may the stoning begin.

jcrockett · 10-26-2007, 06:35 PM

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: texasquail</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I am going to get slammed on this....but hear me out.

Is it just me, or are there a lot of problems with Fords that simply cannot be explained? I mean, major problems? I read and read.....and it is always something wrong with a Ford truck.

When these things are running right, they are absolutely killer. But unless you are a master Ford Mechanic with your own garage....they leave you miffed and sometimes stranded.

I was a gm guy that went to ford and was happy until my diesel started giving me problems. About to sell it and buy a duramax.

Look, Fords are a bigger..stronger...and tougher truck. But maybe you sacrifice something with that?

Anyway, may the stoning begin. </div></div>

I agree with you on that.

**KINGTUT** · 10-26-2007, 06:59 PM

I have rarely heard of any Ford diesel "blowing up" under normal usage. Not the 7.3, the 6.0 or the new one. I know it happens, but it is rare, so I gotta think there was something unusual with this one, could be a factory defect or some odd ball thing. These diesels have lots of issues, but blowing up has not been one of them.

01F350PSD4x4 · 10-26-2007, 07:29 PM

I don't mean to get off track but is it me or does it seem like the gas engines are becoming more reliable then the diesels? Our 98 Expedition went 214k before the deal blew up the engine when we took it in for routine service. The only thing replaced on that rig was the alternator around 180k. My 01 PSD has a problem ever few months it seems. The 6.0 is running great, only issue was a bad turbo at 45k. The added cost of diesel of the diesel option, cost of fuel, maintainence and more problems (it seems) are really hurting the future of light truck...in my opinion of course. But hey don't get me wrong, I do get a grin each time i fire up one of my PSD's.

Gary Hill · 10-26-2007, 09:12 PM

I was a dodge guy who came to ford. I think this blown engine is a white elephant, but I beleive all manufactureres are having one issue or another when it comes to this " green diesel technology ". I have had more problems than I think I should but I believe these trucks were definitely put out faster than r/d would have liked. I think it goes for all Big 3 right now.

Puzzled · 10-26-2007, 09:32 PM

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: texasquail</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I am going to get slammed on this....but hear me out.

Is it just me, or are there a lot of problems with Fords that simply cannot be explained? I mean, major problems? I read and read.....and it is always something wrong with a Ford truck.

When these things are running right, they are absolutely killer. But unless you are a master Ford Mechanic with your own garage....they leave you miffed and sometimes stranded.

I was a gm guy that went to ford and was happy until my diesel started giving me problems. About to sell it and buy a duramax.

Look, Fords are a bigger..stronger...and tougher truck. But maybe you sacrifice something with that?

Anyway, may the stoning begin. </div></div>

That rings a small amount of truth for me also. I'd be curious if the GM guys are getting any sort of mileage.

Smiley1 · 10-26-2007, 10:38 PM

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: texasquail</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I am going to get slammed on this....but hear me out.

Is it just me, or are there a lot of problems with Fords that simply cannot be explained? I mean, major problems? I read and read.....and it is always something wrong with a Ford truck.

When these things are running right, they are absolutely killer. But unless you are a master Ford Mechanic with your own garage....they leave you miffed and sometimes stranded.

I was a gm guy that went to ford and was happy until my diesel started giving me problems. About to sell it and buy a duramax.

Look, Fords are a bigger..stronger...and tougher truck. But maybe you sacrifice something with that?

Anyway, may the stoning begin. </div></div>

I am a GM guy as well. Just look in my sig. Each of the big three have thier issues. The Ford just works better for me as I load it... or over load it and I dont have to worry about the chassis or suspension.

I will say this:

When I was having my dealer install headgaskets and studs, the diesel tech was talking to me about the new 6.4. He had two of them come in on flatbeds with blown motors. I cant remember exactly, but he said something about overfueling that melted a couple of pistons or something. I said that sounds like a simple programming fix and he agreed it was something simple like that.

Yes, Im sure the 6.4 will have a quirk here and there just like any other brand. I certainly wont call a 6.4 a POS just yet and I doubt I ever will.

horses2 · 10-26-2007, 11:10 PM

Look at the number of trucks on the road. MILLIONS. How many blown STOCK motors on these forums? Not even a hundred. Do the math, its a very, very small percentage, EXCEPT to the guy whose truck failed.
Couple that with a new design that NO tech has experience with. You can go to all the classes in the world but nothing beats doing the job. However we expect an auto tech to be 100% right 100% of the time. And we want it done for pocket change. Anyone here meet that criteria? Another wildcard with these motors is ULSD fuel. Again, no track record. So we have a new engine design, with a never used fuel design. One doesnt have to look far to see the lubricity issues with this fuel. Kinda like the early days of unleaded. It took a while to figure out what materials were going to last & work.
My point is, these 6.4 are going to have some issues and as the early buyers, thats part of the territory.

Just my $0.02.

Brad777 · 10-26-2007, 11:35 PM

Nicely said Horses2. Like someone else said too...there's always some sacrifice. The only sacrifice I see with the Ford vs the Duramax is fuel mileage and I'm willing to sacrifice that for a better looking and more heavy duty truck. My second choice for a truck was the Dodge. You have to give them credit, they have came a long ways since the mid 80's. Other than an engine and trans, GM seems to be losing ground. They need to put the designers of the Vette on their truck.

Mad Max · 10-26-2007, 11:42 PM

Sorry to here about your problems. I have been following the 08 very closely since my dad bought his and the 08 has been doing very well. My dad's truck has been in the shop twice. Once for the rear end and once for an oil leak. Both times his dealer gave him a new loaded F-150 to drive and even offered a SD since my dad uses his truck to make a living.

I guess it all boils down to the dealer. So far my dad has been treated very good by his dealer. His truck has 40K on it and it has pulled 30K plus every day.

texasquail · 10-26-2007, 11:42 PM

not at all a pos...I test drove all three and ruled Ford to the best interior, ride, power, and payload. It's the quirks...I am not referring to only the blown engine. Just look at the 6.4 posts for a month back...but yes, they all have their problems. My dad has a duramax...and no, it does not pull like a psd...nor does the suspension sit as level with a heavy load....but I tell you what...that thing has 100K miles in 3 years and has not sniffed a dealership.

sheepman · 10-27-2007, 12:01 AM

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: texasquail</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I am going to get slammed on this....but hear me out.

Is it just me, or are there a lot of problems with Fords that simply cannot be explained? I mean, major problems? I read and read.....and it is always something wrong with a Ford truck.

When these things are running right, they are absolutely killer. But unless you are a master Ford Mechanic with your own garage....they leave you miffed and sometimes stranded.

I was a gm guy that went to ford and was happy until my diesel started giving me problems. About to sell it and buy a duramax.

Look, Fords are a bigger..stronger...and tougher truck. But maybe you sacrifice something with that?

Anyway, may the stoning begin. </div></div>

There where not many problems until the 6 liter and I'm sure many will agree with me on that subject. So I think now most people, Like your self mostly think of those major issues. Now, the Naysayers are waiting in the dark on the new 6.4 to do the same as the 6.0 so they can beat the dead dog.

I have had 5 6.9L, 2 7.3L IDI's, 2 7.3L PSD's, and now the 6.4L. The only trouble I had was 3 fuel injection pumps on 6.9's and a set of rocker arms on my 85 6.9, my 94 7.3L IDI TD replaced the trans and my 97 PSD replaced a trans. Both transmission were automatics and had been towed with very hard. Now out of the 10 trucks I just listed, injection pumps are a normal replacement so I can't count those. So that leaves 3 trucks with major problems, 3 out of 10 is not bad in my book.

So I think that a blown 6.4L every now and then is not much of a big deal, the biggest problem is hat it a $40,000 blown motor. I'm willing to bet that Dodge and GM are not batting 100 percent ether.