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I was at my local dealer looking at the 08 f250. He made a comment that I did not know about. His comment was that upon sale the purchaser had to sign some kind of paper that concerned maintenance and use of ULSD. And if purchaser did not do proper maintenance or use ULSD or something like that the warranty would be void...Anyone out there that has purchased the 08 know what the dealer is talking about? I also asked about the warranty info that was on the sticker...There was nothing about the 100000 mile engine warranty mentioned only the 3yr/36000 bumper to bumper and the 5yr/60000 mile powertrain warranty. Did Ford get rid of the 100000 mile engine warranty on the PSD?
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I was at my local dealer looking at the 08 f250. He made a comment that I did not know about. His comment was that upon sale the purchaser had to sign some kind of paper that concerned maintenance and use of ULSD. And if purchaser did not do proper maintenance or use ULSD or something like that the warranty would be void...Anyone out there that has purchased the 08 know what the dealer is talking about? I also asked about the warranty info that was on the sticker...There was nothing about the 100000 mile engine warranty mentioned only the 3yr/36000 bumper to bumper and the 5yr/60000 mile powertrain warranty. Did Ford get rid of the 100000 mile engine warranty on the PSD?
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I didn't have to sign anything regarding ULSD when I picked my '08 up last week. The 5/60 is for the drivetrain and the warranty goes to 100K on the engine.
I picked mine up and did a 1200 mile trip 6 hours later. Zero issues.
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'08 F350 cc SRW 4x4 white/stone
The 5 year 100K PSD engine warranty is still there on the 08 6.4s. I do think Ford did away with the $100 deductible.
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probally the dealers sop wanting a signed document about the usld.
many stations here in NJ still not tested. talked with my stations owner, state still hasnt tested and certified, hence, no USLD decal on pump..
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I know of many dealers that are having customers sign a waiver at the time of purchase. This is simply a letter stating that the salesman has talked to the customer with regards to engine maintenance and operation - so that the customer can't come back later saying "You never told me.....".
There is nothing sinister with the practice and all that is really happening is that the customer is stating that he has been made aware of information in a (more or less) legally binding way.
Warranty costs have gone under the microscope and, with the apparent cost of some of these new subassemblies, I can't see it letting up.
How many new purchasers have watched the DVD that comes with the truck? I haven't had the chance, yet but I think I might have a couple of hours late next week.
When I was asking the local service dept manager about the 08s, he also said they required customers to sign a form at delivery saying the dealership covered basic maintenance/operation issues with the customer. That did worry me because one never knows how hard Ford or the dealer will try to squirm out of legitimate warranty claims by saying the customer didn't do something right. I'm referring to minor details -- not obvious customer neglect items like not changing the oil, fuel filters, etc. I think when I buy my Ford, I will refuse to sign such document upon delivery. I don't see where signing it can help the customer at all -- only open him up to risk.
Also, has anybody seen the 100,000 mile engine warranty listed in writing anywhere, such as Ford's website? I just looked and didn't see anything on the 08s, although I did see 100,000 miles listed for the 07s.
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Warranty guide is posted on motorcraft.com in the owner guide section... this nshould spell it out in great detail as far as what is covered and how long.
As far as the waiver is concerned.... as I'd stated, the ones I know of are simply a statement that the dealer has explained some pertinent points to the buyer.... What may of may not happen if a buyer refuses to sign isn't on my particular list of things to worry about.
In the end, it is Ford that is going to make the final decision regarding warranty or not and it appears that we may be on our way to near zero tolerance for maintenance requirements.
If a customer does something to jeopardize his warranty, those of us in the service end can be assured that the things that are going to matter have been explained to the customer.... This way, there should be no surprises when neglected fuel filters make a bill bigger than the down payment on a nice house.
The 6.4 is sophisticated beyond imagination but there will be those that will insist on trying to apply 40 year old notions to them.... quite possibly things that the engineers warn against. Making sure they are explained clearly is going to be part of a pleasant association.
The 5 year/100,000 mile warranty is in writing in the "Warranty Guide" book page 8.
Also, after going through my paperwork, dealer did not have me sign anything referring to the ULSD, just that they went over how the vehicle operates, which they didn't, and which I didn't sign. FYI.
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This is a "per dealer" thing that seems to have caught some popularity. I have no idea where it originated nor if it has any substance with Ford corporate...
For our stores part... this is simply a way for us to say we told you not to do whatever it is you did that made any particular warranty claim void.
If someone is using crappy fuel we need to remember it wasn't Ford that put the crap in it and it wasn't the dealer that put crap in it.... I've seen plastic tanks with a lot of rust in them and the owners are trying for warranty.... and they get p*ssed at us when it is denied?????
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This is a "per dealer" thing that seems to have caught some popularity. I have no idea where it originated nor if it has any substance with Ford corporate...
For our stores part... this is simply a way for us to say we told you not to do whatever it is you did that made any particular warranty claim void.
If someone is using crappy fuel we need to remember it wasn't Ford that put the crap in it and it wasn't the dealer that put crap in it.... I've seen plastic tanks with a lot of rust in them and the owners are trying for warranty.... and they get p*ssed at us when it is denied?????
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I'm with you on this one. My dealer didn't have me sign anything regarding ULSD but I wouldn't blame them if they did. I think FMC has been soaked by many people who do something idiotic and then whine when the claim is denied.
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A lot of these forms are dealer initiated. The purpose most of the time is to be certain the delivering sales person is doing his or her job with the customer. It eliminates the problem of the customer having to come back numerous times to ask questions about the operation of all aspects of the vehicle and it's basic servicing information.
I've seen and signed these forms when purchasing various Ford trucks and other vehicles, as well as when I purchased a Mazdaspeed Turbo Miata and a 911 Porsche.
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If the dealer wants you to sign something concerning your warranty and using ULSD, make sure you ask to see their hi-tech equipment that they will be using to check the fuel's sulfur content so they can void your warranty. Ask for the qualifications of the person running that equipment too.
Now if the dealer is just being informational, then that is another thing, and they can just give you a photocopied informational sheet. But really it's all in your Owner's material.
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For our stores part... this is simply a way for us to say we told you not to do whatever it is you did that made any particular warranty claim void.
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And this is the problem. Grampy's probably has no way to determine the sulfur content of someone's fuel, and he certainly wouldn't be trained or educated on how to use that equipment. It's even tougher to tie a failure directly to sulfur content. Yet he can void someone's warranty with a stroke on the keyboard.
Do you have to sign anything acknowledging that your engine uses special CI-4-Plus or CJ-4 oil? No. Did you have to sign anything when you bought your gasoline vehicle that acknowledged it required a minimum 87 octane gasoline? No.
Ford, along with too many of its dealers, are trying to find every possible way out of stepping up to the plate on warranty claims. The ULSD gives them another avenue.
My dealer called today and had me come by to sign a paper along the same line.
What really caught my attention was this:
"The installation/use of any non-Ford product will not necessarily void the Ford New Vehicle Limited Warranty. If, however, the non-Ford product (e.g. performance chips, modified exhaust, etc.) fails or causes a Ford part to fail, the cost of the repair and any related damages are not covered by the Ford New Vehicle Limited Warranty. The vehicle owner would need to look to the manufacturer or installer of the non-Ford products for repairs."
So I guess Ford has realized that people are going to mod these trucks.
Otherwise, all the paper covers is that you will use the correct fuel, correct oil, empty the water separator, use the block heater at -10 or below, limit the speed and load for the first 500-1000 miles, and change your oil and fuel filters when you are supposed to.
Oh, and Biodiesel may be used so long as it does not exceed 5% (B5).
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But that is why they went to plastic fuel tanks? And I would not expect to have any problems with rusty tanks for a number of years. This is 2007 and the stations have hugely significantly cleaner tanks than decades gone by. However, Ford did recently have some that were rusting too much on the Outside? If I recall correctly?
Regardless, ULSD and LSD fuel is Ford's problem. It is also GM and Dodges. And anyone else with a diesel that they mfg. or sell.
Fact is, if there are stations out there that still have LSD and the LSD chews up the 6.4 or any others engines the Mfg will have a huge problem.
If they needed to take the EPA to court to stop the switch over and make it a 5 year phase in, well, its too late for them. Those that built their engines that get destroyed by the LSD are, regardless of whos actual fault it is, going to have a huge headache on their hands.
It sounds like LSD will severly harm the new engines, but I can not believe that they let it come to this. If there is that much LSD available out there in Construction sites, Farmers, Millitary, even a significant number of stations then this will be a nightmare. Wont be long before it is in the news. And if one's engines bites it from LSD one's sales in Diesels just imploded.
Question - Will 2% bio d. in anyway help with regard to LSD in a ULSD engine? I would not think so, but...
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My dealer called today and had me come by to sign a paper along the same line.
What really caught my attention was this:
"The installation/use of any non-Ford product will not necessarily void the Ford New Vehicle Limited Warranty. If, however, the non-Ford product (e.g. performance chips, modified exhaust, etc.) fails or causes a Ford part to fail, the cost of the repair and any related damages are not covered by the Ford New Vehicle Limited Warranty. The vehicle owner would need to look to the manufacturer or installer of the non-Ford products for repairs."
So I guess Ford has realized that people are going to mod these trucks.
Otherwise, all the paper covers is that you will use the correct fuel, correct oil, empty the water separator, use the block heater at -10 or below, limit the speed and load for the first 500-1000 miles, and change your oil and fuel filters when you are supposed to.
Oh, and Biodiesel may be used so long as it does not exceed 5% (B5).
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Something like this document? That's a Ford-provided form...
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