A couple questions, if I may. - Diesel Forum

Slufoot733 · 11-12-2007, 05:39 PM

Howdy, new to the board. Very interesting reading but I'm in a little over my head. I have an '08 F350 Latiat w/the 6.4 diesel. So far I love it (except for the milage and fuel prices). My questions:

* How do I know when this 'regen' occurs?
* Why does my computer center in the dash blink?
* If I'm in a jam and am forced to use LSD vs. ULSD what
problems might I encounter? (PA T-pike only has ULSD at four
rest stops, can you believe that!).

Thanks for any info.

tjsulli790 · 11-12-2007, 11:27 PM

Howdy and welcome to TDS

I personally don't own a 6.4, but since this question has slipped to the second page I will attempt to answer.

You can tell a regen is in progress if your at idle and the RPMs are raised quite a bit. Typically if your MPG computer readout starts falling quite a bit, you're in a regen. If you are on the road and the exhaust sound changes some and throttle response is a little sluggish you may be in a regen.

I can't help you with the dash blinking, if is a code being set or indicator you may want to take it to the dealer.

As far the LSD, if it was my truck I would only want to use the fuel it is designed for. But, in a pinch it should be okay with LSD. The only thing I've heard is that it will clog the DPF up a little faster, meaning you get more regens.

**KINGTUT** · 11-13-2007, 02:13 AM

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Kevin733</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Howdy, new to the board. Very interesting reading but I'm in a little over my head. I have an '08 F350 Latiat w/the 6.4 diesel. So far I love it (except for the milage and fuel prices). My questions:

* How do I know when this 'regen' occurs?
* Why does my computer center in the dash blink?
* If I'm in a jam and am forced to use LSD vs. ULSD what
problems might I encounter? (PA T-pike only has ULSD at four
rest stops, can you believe that!).

Thanks for any info.
</div></div>

It is sad that all the folks who own 6.4's that bash non owners for posting are not helping you here, I hope someone will step up.............I wanted to respond with some help, save fear that the bashers would dis me for not owning one...........

TurboForMyTurbo · 11-13-2007, 05:21 AM

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Kevin733</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Howdy, new to the board. Very interesting reading but I'm in a little over my head. I have an '08 F350 Latiat w/the 6.4 diesel. So far I love it (except for the milage and fuel prices). My questions:

* How do I know when this 'regen' occurs?
* Why does my computer center in the dash blink?
* If I'm in a jam and am forced to use LSD vs. ULSD what
problems might I encounter? (PA T-pike only has ULSD at four
rest stops, can you believe that!).

Thanks for any info.
</div></div>

You are not supposed to know when regen occurs. in the city your RPM's in drive will be about 750 as opposed to the normal 725. Throttle response is much better, and the engine will change tone. on the highway its not noticable at all.

Never seen anything in the center of the dash blink. might want to get that checked at a dealer.

LSD is just not great for the engine, but your truck should run it. Just need to hold out for ULSD if you can.

George C · 11-13-2007, 08:57 AM

You should not use LSD under any circumstances, unless everybody else at the party is dropping. [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/crazy.gif[/img]
Same goes for Low Sulfer Diesel.
I believe ULSD was mandated as the only highway diesel fuel to be sold at the pump beginning in 2007, there should be no problems buying it. If someone thinks that running non taxed farm fuel is the way to go, then replacing your $2,500.00 DPF is in your very near future.

George C · 11-13-2007, 09:00 AM

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KINGTUT</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Kevin733</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Howdy, new to the board. Very interesting reading but I'm in a little over my head. I have an '08 F350 Latiat w/the 6.4 diesel. So far I love it (except for the milage and fuel prices). My questions:

* How do I know when this 'regen' occurs?
* Why does my computer center in the dash blink?
* If I'm in a jam and am forced to use LSD vs. ULSD what
problems might I encounter? (PA T-pike only has ULSD at four
rest stops, can you believe that!).

Thanks for any info.
</div></div>

It is sad that all the folks who own 6.4's that bash non owners for posting are not helping you here, I hope someone will step up.............I wanted to respond with some help, save fear that the bashers would dis me for not owning one........... </div></div>

Nobody is going to bash you for not owning a 6.4L.
Were going to bash you just for personal and selfish entertainment purposes. [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif[/img]

Super Duty John · 11-13-2007, 09:42 AM

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Kevin733</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Howdy, new to the board. Very interesting reading but I'm in a little over my head. I have an '08 F350 Latiat w/the 6.4 diesel. So far I love it (except for the milage and fuel prices). My questions:

* How do I know when this 'regen' occurs?
* Why does my computer center in the dash blink?
* If I'm in a jam and am forced to use LSD vs. ULSD what
problems might I encounter? (PA T-pike only has ULSD at four
rest stops, can you believe that!).

Thanks for any info.
</div></div>

Watch out for the outside pumps at a Flying J, I also have one of those new fangled Mercedes Sprinters and made the mistake of not looking at the pump...sure enough it was regular low sulfur fuel and I filled up there about three times before recognizing. My oxygen sensor went and the Dodge dealer said the computer said it was too much idle time. They tried to fix it and can't, the Check Engine Light is still on after fixing the oxygen sensor but it's running good and getting it's normal mileage again.
I'm really careful now after this with my F-350, as I see that many stations still carry Low Sulfur.

The blinking light means malfunction on the read out or problem, you might want to drop by Ford and have them check for a code.

outlawinil · 11-13-2007, 10:09 AM

I got 2800 miles and I have never noticed a regeneration. But I don't have the time or $ to leave it sit around idling and listening to it. As with any dash lights, blinking is not normal and should be taken to a dealer. I seriously doubt you can find any LSD fuel pumps without any ULSD pumps being there also. I personally only buy fuel at the busiest stations where semis refuel because I feel it may be the better fuel quality with less moisture condensation from sitting in tanks all the time.

As for KINGTUT's comment...No what is really sad is when you take the time to get on this forum and learn about the 6.4 you have to hear from all the non ford diesel owners, and toyota and honda owners, how the 6.4 is junk and the regeneration leaves people stranded along the side of the road. Heck if I would have listened to this forum I'd still be driving my 1988 Chevy with a 350 in it getting 8 mpg and never would I have been a proud 7.3 and 6.0 owner.

jayhirsch · 11-13-2007, 05:22 PM

I found lots of the old LSD for sale this summer when I was on vacation for 3 months. Had no real problem finding ULSD..but I did have to pull out of a few stations. Of course, when questioned..the attendants said they didn't know about ULSD!!

Slufoot733 · 11-13-2007, 05:51 PM

Great, thanks for all the replies. I think I have experienced a regen or two. I did have one episode the other day when the truck puffed out so much white smoke the guy behind me slowed way down; must have thought I was exploding. It lasted about 4 to 5 seconds but WOW, lot's of smoke!

I was on the PA T-pike in July and stopped to fill up. I put the nozzel in the filler tube but they wouldn't turn the pump on till I came in a paid first. On when I returned I happened to look at the pump and found it was NOT ULSD, just LSD. I went back in and asked which pump was the ULSD and the lady said she had no idea. They made a call and found the next stop, 33 miles, had ULSD. SO, off I went. Good think I wasn't on fumes!

I will have the blinking data center checked tomorrow at my first service appointment.

Thanks again and happy motoring !

KT

FINE69 · 11-13-2007, 06:17 PM

Kevin, what part of Western Pa are you from? The reason I ask is I know a VERY good dealer in Pittsburgh that can check into your blinking dash lights.

Sequoia · 11-13-2007, 06:18 PM

I had the white smoke on two separate trucks. One was an ECM update issue and the other one occurred after a water crossing. A bit of the water got into the filter housing and soaked the filter. Which was a bit odd because the water wasn't past the hubs. Guess I was going too fast...

Really shouldn't be smoking.

**KINGTUT** · 11-13-2007, 07:28 PM

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Nobody is going to bash you for not owning a 6.4L.
Were going to bash you just for personal and selfish entertainment purposes. [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif[/img] </div></div>

I think I will preface all future posts, "I don't own a 6.4, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night"........... [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/shocked.gif[/img]

Super Duty John · 11-13-2007, 07:39 PM

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: litespeed</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I found lots of the old LSD for sale this summer when I was on vacation for 3 months. Had no real problem finding ULSD..but I did have to pull out of a few stations. Of course, when questioned..the attendants said they didn't know about ULSD!! </div></div>

I found the exact same thing while I was on vacation this summer. In fact, the attendants laughed at me when I wouldn't use their low sulfur fuel. One Attendant (BTW, use of a water pic wouldn't have been a waste of his time) pointed out at a 7.3L and he told me their fuel worked fine in that! I started to explain the new requirements of 2008 engines and how it would harm the particulate filter...yadda yadda yadda...and when his eyes glossed over, I immediately changed gears and asked where the bathroom was, he was actually able to help me with that question....we're talking a notch above plant life here....

Moral of the story, be careful, many stations sell low sulfur fuel and only low sulfur fuel and it will harm your filter and sensors.

Super Duty John · 11-13-2007, 07:43 PM

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Super_Duty_John</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: litespeed</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I found lots of the old LSD for sale this summer when I was on vacation for 3 months. Had no real problem finding ULSD..but I did have to pull out of a few stations. Of course, when questioned..the attendants said they didn't know about ULSD!! </div></div>

I found the exact same thing while I was on vacation this summer. In fact, the attendants laughed at me when I wouldn't use their low sulfur fuel. One Attendant (BTW, use of a water pic wouldn't have been a waste of his time) pointed out at a 7.3L and he told me their fuel worked fine in that! I started to explain the new requirements of 2008 engines and how it would harm the particulate filter...yadda yadda yadda...and when his eyes glossed over, I immediately changed gears and asked where the bathroom was, he was actually able to help me with that question....we're talking a notch above plant life here....

Moral of the story, be careful, many stations sell low sulfur fuel and only low sulfur fuel and it will harm your filter and sensors. </div></div>

I'd better mention that my low sulfur problems were in my 2007 Sprinter van with a diesel particulate filter, not my 2008 F-350...I didn't even own it at the time [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif[/img]