6.4L Power Stroke Engine and DrivetrainDiscussion of the 6.4L Power Stroke diesel engine and drivetrain in the 2008 Super-Duty trucks. No gas engine discussion allowed except on transmissions and drivetrain that pertain to all models. Please confine discussion of topics in this forum to those items that are specific to the 6.4L Power Stroke engine.
Do you really think the '08s / 6.4s are going to better than the 6.0?
I bought my first PSD in late '96. I took it's simplicity and dependability for granted and when the E4OD failed for the 2nd time, I thought I'd upgrade to the 2005 rather than pour good money into a potential pit. I thought better motor, better creature comforts in the assumed same old reliable truck.
The 2005 has had: a leaking front main seal, burst hydroboost both replaced, power steering pump replaced twice, WIF sensor on HFCM replaced, EGR valve replaced, reverse sensor modue replaced and now the AC cycles on/off randomly in the auto mode - looks like the control head is out ($500 expected repair). In 2.5 yrs and 58K mi my love for these trucks is running out. I bought my 1st in late 1996 when it wasn't cool to own a big CC 4WD. My friends went from ridiculing my "lawn mowing crew hauler" to buying these trucks themselves (I count 12). Now I look with disdain upon these trucks when I read the 6.0 and 6.4 posts. I've been researching the Toyota Tundra forums and laugh about the relatively trivial issues read those guys ***** about.
I'm sorry to say that after 10 years of Powerstroke ownership, I'm thinking about throwing in the towel. Before I do, I'd like a reality check from you, the forum members from whom I've learned a tremendous amount about my trucks. Am I off track? Do you think its worth sticking it out, or is the writing on the wall with the 2005 truck? Do I risk "upgrading" again, or do the '08s have even more complexity that's just asking to break down?
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Re: Do you really think the '08s / 6.4s are going to better than the 6.0?
I also had concerns about spending this kind of money with the 6.0's history. But to date my local dealer's service manager has had two (2) 6.4's back in for service other than routine oil changes, etc. ....1 for a reflash, one with an engine thermostat defective. He does have 6 various years 6.0's in the service bays right now. I have known him for many years, and he has no reason to tell me anything different than the truth. I didn't buy my truck there, but I do have them service my city's police fleet of which I am the fleet manager of. We talk many hours a week about the police fleet's needs. He is very optimistic about the 6.4's, after dealing with many irate 6.0 owners for the last few years. I do believe, and I share his optimism that Ford did it's homework this time. The emission stuff is a pain, but it is the wave of things to come. I love this new truck, all of it.
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Re: Do you really think the '08s / 6.4s are going to better than the 6.0?
They better be, this company is on the rocks and one more hit and they may go down.
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Re: Do you really think the '08s / 6.4s are going to better than the 6.0?
I know I truly regret selling my 02 for the 08. The replacement cost($3600 Canadian) of an DPF filter alone made me realize that.I already have a black exhaust pipe. I called the dealer and spoke to the shop foreman. He advised me to buy some of the Ford approved Cetane booster and see if that fixes it. God help us when the warranty runs out.
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Re: Do you really think the '08s / 6.4s are going to better than the 6.0?
I think that the 6.4 is off to a MUCH better start than the 6.0. However, I think you (thread starter) made a point without meaning to. Many, many folks who own these SD type diesel trucks, NEVER EVER even touch the working capacity of the vehicle. I see them all the time in parking lots and the hitch reciever is not even scratched. To me the average Joe who buys one of these trucks could get by with an F-150, Sierra, Silverado, ect. without blinking, except..........it's not a diesel. If the rumors are true and GM and Ford start putting diesels in the half tons, SD sales will dive since as I have stated the SD is overkill for the use lots of the folks use them for.
Re: Do you really think the '08s / 6.4s are going to better than the 6.0?
Even though my 6.0 trucks were pretty good in comparison to other peoples truck. My feeling is how could the 6.4 not be better then the 6.0 truck. Good point to Tut, alot of people don't need these trucks, and they buy them anyway. Not sure if that hurts or helps people who really need the diesel engine or not. I know I absolutley need a heavy duty truck being a contractor, and hauling around 13.5k on sometimes.
Re: Do you really think the '08s / 6.4s are going to better than the 6.0?
Heres my take. (Not that I didnt like Deeregreen's idea of getting a Tundra...)
OK, has anyone really tallied up the additional parts in this truck? If so, take that figure, then add what money would have had to have been spent to make the parts more durable, more quality-oriented than even the similar parts of the 6.0.
The figure of additional funds that would have needed to be put into this engine and its components are staggering.
Its impossible Ford spend big bucks on every single part. In fact, I'd imagine they low-balled their vendors on every part, (ie: DPF, radiators) that seemed unimportant to the buyer.
This is of course, my opinion on the durability of the 6.4 vs 6.0. I would imagine, when its all said and done, the number of warranty claims will be about the same in a 100,000 mile period. I will add, however, that they may not be as severe or costly to Ford.
I believe the 6.4 engine will be more of a "nickle-and-dime" masterpiece--as it ages (60k and up). Now, everyone can feel free to tie me up and whip me for having a "not one of us" opinion.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Deeregreen</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If you could get by with a Tundra you definately don't need a F250 diesel. </div></div>
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: mountie</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I know I truly regret selling my 02 for the 08. God help us when the warranty runs out. </div></div>
I just had to comment on Mountie's reply too. He said a mouthful. And he's right.
All these people on here having 3,000 or 8,000 miles going "ooh, this thing is great..no problems!"
For heavens sake. It had better not yet. Lets see those puppies in about 85,000 miles then lets hear the brags.
I cant even imagine what piezo injectors cost. Or a high pressure fuel pump. Or a set of EGR twins. Ooh, and that must-have turbo to the 2nd power.
Lord help them indeed. I hope alot of guys don't have $700-900 payments when these things start going.
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I didn't pay that much attention to the 6.0 problems since I knew I wasn't going to get one, so I'm curious...at what point did the problems start? Where they within the first 5K to 8K miles, later, or was there no real pattern?
Mark
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Re: Do you really think the '08s / 6.4s are going to better than the 6.0?
I think most 6.0 issues started after 10,000 miles. I have seen alot of reports of Head issues after 45,000 miles. Some oil leaks occured early, as did some turbo issues.
Wire chaffing was another issue that waited to rear its head, even till 60k. It was mostly in the Van application, though.
5000 to 8000 miles is really no test of any new vehicle. Even the most poorly designed parts, or improperly installed ones, can wait out 45,000 miles before saying "hello."
So, in my book, 100,000 'trouble-free miles' is mandatory when paying $45,000 and up for this vehicle.
Do you really think Ford designed this vehicle, with consumer in mind, that they wouldnt have to repair things right after the 100,000 mile warranty expires? All these trucks have to do is hold up till 100k. Then they're off Ford's teat.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Kimminau2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
The same can be said of any manufacturer. If you think they are building them to last 100,000 miles, trade it in at 99,000 and don't worry about it. </div></div>
Oh the trucks will last 100k, Ford Truck chassis' are without peers, they will go on for decades. I completely agree with your no worries theory regarding the engine, dump them before the bill becomes your own, that is unless you have the ability to pull the cab in your own garage to work on it.............
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