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Re: first long pull, impressions and mileage report
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: NatesDiesel</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RockRidge</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You just can't compare the "old stuff" with these new vehicles. I'd bet if you were to put all of the emission control stuff these new vehicles have on a older truck, you would get about the same milage. My old '03 got better milage than the '08. But it didn't have as much emission control stuff as the '08 does either!
Would I like the milage to be better? You Bet! But I didn't get the truck for it's milage, I got it to TOW STUFF!
just my 2¢ worth...
Ed </div></div>
The only problem about "not comparing the old stuff to the new stuff" is that if you put a DPF and Oxidation Cat. on a Greyhound bus, and feed the engine 40% of its exhaust gasses back to itself, as the new ones are, their milage wouldnt drop in HALF. 10% decline, perhaps. No more.
The small diesel engine is at a terrible disadvantage compared to the larger (over 8L) varieties. I know the new Refuse Application Front-Loader Mack trucks with 2007 compliant Volvo engines are only getting less than 1/2mpg differance than 2006's. And talk about squeeky clean exhaust. Its facinating what enough money and quality can build.
And, its not just about "wanting better milage," its about better milage being a national necessity. Any vehicle the size of a Pickup getting 6mpg is ludacris. Even while pulling. A much larger truck could do that work, with new emissions... and have power to spare.
One day soon the EPA will dictate CO2 output, and this senseless use of fuel will largely go away due to restrictions. And, no, this isnt making our "country less free" since if we have enough money, we can still have it with expensive licensing fees.
$3.00 diesel is still too cheap for folks to take fuel economy into consideration. On Bloomberg.com, a market analyist mentioned if we pull out of Iraq anytime soon, Mid-East instability will make $4.50 diesel a reality. This should help automakers put on their thinking caps about consumption. And consumers. I being one myself.
Nate </div></div>
Nate,
that is so true. i do complain about my mileage and i am certain it can be better. one simple way (for me) is to have a stick. i can drive better than the computer, i am sure that many of you can too. i understand wanting an auto though. but you really hit the nail on the head about the higher prices and the things happening in the rest of the world affecting everything. i wish that more people thought like that and truely understood it too. it would take at least 4.50 a gal for me to change my life style. i bought mine for towing too.
and my dad (RIP Pop) was a trucker his whole life, got 6plus all the time, and even just over 8 a few times while pulling 40k plus on up to 80k gcvw. your right there is alot more that can be done here. my 650 flatbed tow truck gets almost 10 towing/empty combined and thats mostly in traffic. has 4.30 rear and 5.9 cummins, allison 6 speed. my new 450 barley gets 11 empty in town. today i filled up went only 22 miles mostly heavy traffic, very little idle time. right now the reader is at 6.9, i am sure it will climb a little more as go thru this tank, but not very much i am sure.
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