6.4L Power Stroke Engine and DrivetrainDiscussion of the 6.4L Power Stroke diesel engine and drivetrain in the 2008 Super-Duty trucks. No gas engine discussion allowed except on transmissions and drivetrain that pertain to all models. Please confine discussion of topics in this forum to those items that are specific to the 6.4L Power Stroke engine.
Like others reported I did notice about a two mpg increase after changing the oil which I associated to normal viscosity increase as the additive package wears in the old oil. I was getting 17-18 mpg, which later dripped to 15 ish. Changing the oil, and the mileage went up????
So here it is, Hot off the press:
Unit Number: F-350-2008
Phone Number:
Received Date: 08/30/07
Equipment: IH 6.4L
Sender:
Sample From: ENGINE
Product: Factory Fill
SAE:
Sample Date: 08/27/07
Maintenance Recommendations (Current Sample Only)*
NOTE VISCOSITY VARIATION. FUEL DILUTION IS >4% (FLASHPOINT 290 F). CHECK INJECTORS, LINES OR FUEL PUMP. CHANGE OIL AND/OR FILTER IF NOT ALREADY DONE. RESAMPLE 1/2 NORMAL INTERVAL TO MONITOR SYSTEM. EMERGENCY NOTIFICATION MADE OR ATTEMPTED. 08-31-07. ALUMINUM AND SILICA ARE HIGH.
Lab No. SK6167
Date 08/30/07
DRAIN HOURS 239
Oil Added 0
Physical Tests
Viscosity cSt 100C 9.7
SAE Grade 100C 30
Fuel Soot %WT 0.2
Water, Fuel Dilution or Antifreeze N P N
Wear Metal, PPM
Chromium 2
Copper 25
Iron 78
Lead 9
Tin 5
Aluminum (23)
Silicon (Dirt) (49)
Additives and Other Metals, PPM
Antimony 0
Barium 6
Boron 17
Cadmium 0
Calcium 1945
Magnesium 9
Molybdenum 5
Nickel 1
Phosphorus 806
Silver 0
Sodium 12
Titanium 0
Zinc 941
* Accuracy of recommendations is dependent on representative oil sample and complete, correct data on both unit and oil. This report is not an endorsement or recommendation of any product or system.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">FUEL DILUTION IS >4% (FLASHPOINT 290 F). CHECK INJECTORS, LINES OR FUEL PUMP. CHANGE OIL AND/OR FILTER IF NOT ALREADY DONE. RESAMPLE 1/2 NORMAL INTERVAL TO MONITOR SYSTEM. </div></div>
How many miles was on this sample? It seems like you have a problem somewhere with fuel greater than 4%. I'd take this OA in to the dealer with the truck to have it looked at.
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I think many of those numbers are quite high for a broken in engine. However your engine is still breaking in. Keep sampling and it should come down to a stable baseline of values. For instance, if this were a 7.3 with 100K miles on it, I would say that the air box was leaking or the filtration was inadequate as the silicon is quite high. In your case that is probably due to sealants that can be detected in the oil. They should come down with each oil analysis and would not indicate a problem with air filtration (doesn't hurt to check however). Copper would indicate a failing turbo bearing but in your case it is probably break in. Similarly iron etc.
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FMTRVT used to maintain an anonymous database of oil analysis data. He still has the database data available for download here. While not directly applicable to the 6.4, some of the reports will show serial results from new and give you an idea how quickly values will settle down.
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2002 F350 Lariat CC 4x4 Auto 4.10 DRW, DP-Tuner F5 live tuned stock, quiet, 40dd, 40, 60, 80 tow, 80e and 120r, B&W GN, BrakeSmart, 'pooned tank, tank and pre-pump mods, 2µ Dahl 100 filter, regulated return, BTS dual HPOP, AC singles with EDM 34 lpm nozzles, AIS, H2e, Spearco 6.0 IC, Hypermax 3.5" dp--> MBRP 4" 304SS exhaust, BTS tranny, 203º T-stat, Chevron ELC, coolant filter, Oilguard bypass with Schaeffer 9000, WranglerNW 200 amp alternator & Optima group 31 batteries, Nippon-Denso starter, SPA gauges, SteveRacer mods, Hella 80/100W 9007s, Hella Micro DE foglights, 1000FF driving lights, 220W backup lights, Stancor contactor, Michelin XPS Traction tires, X-Springs, Bilstein shox, custom bumpers but otherwise stock. Nov 30 '99 build engine with 16 K miles, Fluidampr, Comp Cam 910 springs, Melling LPOP and ARP headstuds. Alien-Patrol Customer Service Sucks!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Diesel Jay</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That's quite a bit of fuel in the oil. The high Al count is also a bit odd.
- Jay </div></div>I agree on the aluminum ppm. Piston break in?? Also on the 6.0 Jack (FMTRVT) noted increased fuel in oil when he idled the truck to warm up the oil before pulling the sample. Perhaps that was the case here????
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How many miles were on the oil sample? Was this the first oil change?
I'm not sure that I buy that fuel dilution is high. Fuel dilution is very difficult to measure properly. I have seen up to 5% variation from one lab to another.
If this was the first oil change, then this is 10w30 oil. 10 cSt viscocity is normal for 10w30. 1% of fuel dilution will lower viscocity by 1 cst. If it is 15w40, then I would say that fuel dilution is high.
Fuel dilution comes from regens on the 6.4L. On the 6.0L, it came from the injectors.
Regarding the high Al: Notice that copper is also relatively high. With the high Si, I would guess that a piece of dirt got in one of the bearings. If you pulled the engine apart, you would find a nice line through it. Nothing to worry about, though. They are designed to take some debris. However, I would make sure that there are no oil leaks or leaks downstream of the air filter.
This is the first change with 9,500 on the factory fill, engine hot just off the road. I think the high AL and SI is due to oil washing a newly assembled engine. I've seen the exact same first change results on two new VW TDI engines. On the next oil change, the values were down to expected levels. Fuel dilution question evades me. I'm sure it's related to regen washing the cylinder walls, but until the user fleet gets more miles, what is normal?
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I'm no fan of wasting oil, and many manufacturers are recommending the factory fill go to the published interval, but I guess if it were me, I'd have drained the factory fill between 3k & 5k, put in the recommended 15W40 CI-4 and then taken my 1st sample at 5k on that oil. If things looked good, I'd carry on to the recommended interval form then on.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Stealth03TDI</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This is the first change with 9,500 on the factory fill, engine hot just off the road. I think the high AL and SI is due to oil washing a newly assembled engine. I've seen the exact same first change results on two new VW TDI engines. On the next oil change, the values were down to expected levels. Fuel dilution question evades me. I'm sure it's related to regen washing the cylinder walls, but until the user fleet gets more miles, what is normal?
I'd like to see more data from others </div></div>
Today I received a report on my second oil change. 5316 miles on oil, 9837 on engine. Without going into great detail, Al was 20, Si 22. The Al was same as prior but true to form the Si dropped from 51. So it's washing out as expected.
I am waiting on a second report from Holt Caterpillar. They run our oil analysis and mine as well and I want to compare the fuel dilution in their report as well as Blackstone. Mine was at 5% according to Blackstone. I know that sounds high but keep in mind this is a new technology with the regens and it may be par for the course. I also will check with some of my contacts to determine if this is out of line for the 6.4.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: OMCUSNR_RET</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm no fan of wasting oil, and many manufacturers are recommending the factory fill go to the published interval, but I guess if it were me, I'd have drained the factory fill between 3k & 5k, put in the recommended 15W40 CI-4 and then taken my 1st sample at 5k on that oil. If things looked good, I'd carry on to the recommended interval form then on. </div></div>
Just for the record, the 6.4 requires CJ-4 not CI-4.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: K80</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Mine was at 5% according to Blackstone. I know that sounds high but keep in mind this is a new technology with the regens and it may be par for the course. I also will check with some of my contacts to determine if this is out of line for the 6.4.</div></div>
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rlchv70</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: K80</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Mine was at 5% according to Blackstone. I know that sounds high but keep in mind this is a new technology with the regens and it may be par for the course. I also will check with some of my contacts to determine if this is out of line for the 6.4.</div></div>
What is your viscosity? </div></div>
15-40. In the morning I am calling to find out what they (ITE) consider to be out of line. I will post what I find out.
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