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I just read a link on the "DPF ?" thread. They were recommending Stanadyne as a fuel treatment for the 2007 trucks. I also rcently read that Stanadyne has come out with a new formula for ULSD fuel. I would like to know if the "old" Stanadyne will still perform with ULSD, for both the 6.0 I currently drive, and the 6.4 I plan on getting next year. I have a 5-gal. pail of the "old" stuff, and I want to know if it will be OK. Guess I picked a bad time to try to save money by buying Stanadyne in bulk- I found out about the new formula about 2 weeks after I bought the pail. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img]
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I would say no, you can't use the old stuff... Using anything that was designed for use in the old LSD is probably asking for trouble with the emissions equipment on the 6.4..... Of course that is just a "best guess" based on the fact ULSD has necessitated the reformulation of most additives.
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Wouldn't the packaging have to be changed to state that it couldn't be used in the ulsd, and/or whether for 2008 or older models? The inferrence I see is that if it doesn't state it specifically to be used for, or not to be used for, a specific fuel (ulsd) or year model truck, then the manufacturer is opening themselves up to all kinds of liability. And what about Ford? Will they specifically state in the 2008 Owners manual NOT to use a fuel additive for the 2008? I see a big can of worms being filled up between the new engine designers, the fuel suppliers, and the additive manufacturers.
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I would say no, you can't use the old stuff... Using anything that was designed for use in the old LSD is probably asking for trouble with the emissions equipment on the 6.4..... Of course that is just a "best guess" based on the fact ULSD has necessitated the reformulation of most additives.
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Que? How would removing the sulpher cause the "old stuff" not to work as advertised? Isn't it set up to add lubricity & cetane? The only difference between ULSD & LSD is less sulpher, will the "old stuff" put sulpher back in?
I just can't see any of the "old" additives causing any problems with the new emissions equipment. 'Course, now the companies have an excuse for "new & imporved" with a higher price.
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New stuff smells exactly like the old stuff. I would use it. The only difference is that they have probably added more additive for lubricity to make up for the lack of sulfer in the new fuel. I would just make sure any more that I buy is the new formulation.
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New stuff smells exactly like the old stuff. I would use it. The only difference is that they have probably added more additive for lubricity to make up for the lack of sulfer in the new fuel. I would just make sure any more that I buy is the new formulation.
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Well, as I said in my first post, that's just a guess. But IIRC, Walmart pulled their Power Service additive because it was not made for the ULSD. Reportedly, they didn't put it back on the shelves until it was.
I have no idea what differences there are in the two formulations, but I doubt it's gonna show up with a "smell test". It would probably take a chemical analysis to find out what's different. Too, given the cost of a new 6.4 engine and particulate filter, I don't think it would be worth experimenting to find out if it caused problems or not.
One thing I do know though, if you had an engine/emissions problem and Ford finds out about you were using the old stuff, guess who's gonna pay the repair bill??? I guarantee it won't be Ford!!
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Well, as I said in my first post, that's just a guess. But IIRC, Walmart pulled their Power Service additive because it was not made for the ULSD. Reportedly, they didn't put it back on the shelves until it was.
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My recollection of that incident was that the bottles were not *labeled* as being compatible with ULSD. Someone (maybe it was only CARB, not EPA) had labeling requirements (like the pump labeling requirements that are being routinely ignored!) that WalMart decided had to be followed to the letter, so all the old bottles had to go away and be replaced with bottles that said the right things.
The implication was that nothing in the formula itself was different, but I guess we still don't know for sure. A little banner on Power Service's home page says all their products contain less than 15ppm of sulfur and can be used to treat ULSD... and you'd think that if this were *not* true of their older products, there would be some sort of warning included in that banner.
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My recollection of that incident was that the bottles were not *labeled* as being compatible with ULSD. Someone (maybe it was only CARB, not EPA) had labeling requirements (like the pump labeling requirements that are being routinely ignored!) that WalMart decided had to be followed to the letter, so all the old bottles had to go away and be replaced with bottles that said the right things.
The implication was that nothing in the formula itself was different, but I guess we still don't know for sure. A little banner on Power Service's home page says all their products contain less than 15ppm of sulfur and can be used to treat ULSD... and you'd think that if this were *not* true of their older products, there would be some sort of warning included in that banner.
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Duncan,
You may be correct there. This quote though, may sum up the issue:
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A little banner on Power Service's home page says all their products contain less than 15ppm of sulfur and can be used to treat ULSD...
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The fact these products may contain any sulfur could be at the heart of the issue. If all these additives contain sulfur (and I don't know that they do), then the amount could be crucial to the DPF on a 6.4..... Again, IMO, without knowing for sure they don't contain sulfur (or at least contain less than 15 ppm), I wouldn't want to run it in the new engine....
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