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6.4L Power Stroke Engine and Drivetrain Discussion of the 6.4L Power Stroke diesel engine and drivetrain in the 2008 Super-Duty trucks. No gas engine discussion allowed except on transmissions and drivetrain that pertain to all models. Please confine discussion of topics in this forum to those items that are specific to the 6.4L Power Stroke engine.

       
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Old 03-01-2008, 11:18 PM   #1 (permalink)
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FYI: Navistar Re-Files Ford Lawsuit on Feb 29th

Any news on who will be building the post-6.4L engine in 2012 when the existing contract runs out? I wonder how expensive invoking an escape clause would be for either company. Somehow I don't think Ford will continue with Navistar/International given the lawsuits flying back and forth. Don't even tougher emissions regulations appear in 2010 too? Should be an interesting couple of years...

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and Navistar refiles suit over engine contract against Ford -- chicagotribune.com
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Old 03-02-2008, 07:22 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Not good for Ford I would think. The publicity will make potential buyers look elsewhere for a stable manufactor.
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Even more disturbing was this bit of info! Ford will produce the engines at a Ford facility in Chihuahua, Mexico.
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Guess I'm out at that point...
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yup ford building there own diesel scares me
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That's too bad. I've always been a fan of International/Navistar.

(and Cummins, for that matter)
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Understand the 4.4L diesel is slated for the F-150 not the Super Duties. It's a scaled up engine from that which is used in the Range Rover so the PU should go like stink!!! Ford started building diesels in England in the 1950's. It's possible that Ford will switch to Cummins for the Super Duties as i understand they hold a big chunk of Cummins stock.
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Ford has 3 all new lion series diesel engines, the 4.4 for the F-150, expedition and base motor in the superdutys. The smaller will be in a few in a smaller car, possibly fusion or fucus and the ranger or it's replacement. Which leaves the larger for the superdutys optional diesel. Plans are changed quite often, but thats what is being worked on right now. The diesel that ford spent all the money to develop with caterpilliar is not looking like it'll ever make it into a superduty. Most likley the rights will be sold to another manufacture so they can use it....probably toyota.
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It's possible that Ford will switch to Cummins for the Super Duties as i understand they hold a big chunk of Cummins stock.
It's AMAZING how many people still believe that Ford owns part or all of Cummins. IT IS NOT TRUE! Ford does not own any part of Cummins. You'll never see a Cummins engine in a truck smaller than the F650.
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It's AMAZING how many people still believe that Ford owns part or all of Cummins. IT IS NOT TRUE! Ford does not own any part of Cummins. You'll never see a Cummins engine in a truck smaller than the F650.
Why not Mark? Contract issues?
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Dodge has a no-compete contract with Cummins. If a C were to show up in a light-duty Ford p/u, there would be hell to pay.
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...The diesel that ford spent all the money to develop with caterpilliar is not looking like it'll ever make it into a superduty. Most likley the rights will be sold to another manufacture so they can use it....probably toyota.
Why would Toyota buy this when they have their own Hino (a subsidiary of Toyota) diesels operating worldwide. They do have consumer/pro-sumer use vehicles in many other countries, just not currently in the U.S., but this will change with MY 2010 Tundras.

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Understand the 4.4L diesel is slated for the F-150 not the Super Duties. It's a scaled up engine from that which is used in the Range Rover so the PU should go like stink!!! Ford started building diesels in England in the 1950's. It's possible that Ford will switch to Cummins for the Super Duties as i understand they hold a big chunk of Cummins stock.
Interesting Gordon, LOL Do you still believe in the Easter Bunny as well?
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