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Hmmm, I'm wondering what ford did to make this 6.4 NOT another 6.0 blunder
Hi, i'm really anxious to see, drive and hear anything i could get my eyes on on the new 2008 6.4 liter diesel, but.......something makes me think in the corner of my mind, I did the same thing when i heard the 6.0 came out, i'm wondering if there were excited posters on this website that they heard a 6.0 running and it had lots of power and etc................i would like to hear from anybody that knows whats going on and if ford went through procedures so it's not another 6.0 headache, [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/sick.gif[/img]
Re: Hmmm, I'm wondering what ford did to make this 6.4 NOT another 6.0 blunder
Well, getting rid of those disasterous Sturman-valve injectors is going to fix a whole raft of problems. Whether they create new ones with the HPCR setup remains to be seen, but that seems to be the direction everyone is going so it's not like they're out on a limb with it. They also addressed all kinds of other issues: EGR (stronger valve), turbo lag (two turbos, better VGT mechanism), etc.
Duncan
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Re: Hmmm, I'm wondering what ford did to make this 6.4 NOT another 6.0 blunder
I just can't imagine that they would repeat the 6.0 debacle. It costs them way too many millions to dig out of that, and they have not recovered yet. I just gotta think there will not be as many serious issues with the 6.4. I also think they will introduce it with a workable calibration therefore eliminating the need for weekly reflashes. The "guts" of the engine are basically the same and were not the source of too many problems on the 6.0. Ford had to learn a bunch from the 6.0 experience and I believe they have used what they learned to tweak the 6.0 and transform it into the 6.4. I agree with Duncan, the new injectors should be very reliable. I am keeping my fingers crossed, although there will be some issues, that they are not serious and widespread. That said, I swear to ya, I would not touch one until they have built and sold 8 or 10 thousand of them. Just my opinion.
Re: Hmmm, I'm wondering what ford did to make this 6.4 NOT another 6.0 blunder
There are so many changes going from the 6.0 to 6.4-L engine with more
stuff crammed under the hood: New technologies, more sensors, more
emission control hardware, more complicated software, etc... There are
bound to be hardware and software issues with the new engine. Will they
be as bad as the 6.0-L fiasco or just minor issues needing tweaking?
Time will tell after Ford gets thousands of these 6.4-L PSDs out on the road
under all kinds of driving conditions. And, obviously, its gonna be a new
learning curve for the service techs... It will be interesting to see how
much of the 6.0-L knowledge base applies to the 6.4-L.
Re: Hmmm, I'm wondering what ford did to make this 6.4 NOT another 6.0 blunder
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There are so many changes going from the 6.0 to 6.4-L engine with more
stuff crammed under the hood: New technologies, more sensors, more
emission control hardware, more complicated software, etc... There are
bound to be hardware and software issues with the new engine. Will they
be as bad as the 6.0-L fiasco or just minor issues needing tweaking?
Time will tell after Ford gets thousands of these 6.4-L PSDs out on the road
under all kinds of driving conditions. And, obviously, its gonna be a new
learning curve for the service techs... It will be interesting to see how
much of the 6.0-L knowledge base applies to the 6.4-L.
--Old_Dog
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On the positive side, the fuel system has been greatly simplified. Common rail is 4th grader material compared to HEUI, HPOP's, etc.
We all know the 6.4L HAS been tested in all kinds of conditions because of all the proven sightings.
Guys, I think in the end, we're all going to agree one day that MOST of the 6L problems were 70% created by the injectors that were used in them and 30% turbo related. Those systems have been changed.
Nobody knows better than Ford what plagued the 6L and what's at stake. One more big blunder and Ford is history in diesel trucks.
Re: Hmmm, I'm wondering what ford did to make this 6.4 NOT another 6.0 blunder
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There are so many changes going from the 6.0 to 6.4-L engine with more
stuff crammed under the hood: New technologies, more sensors, more
emission control hardware, more complicated software, etc... There are
bound to be hardware and software issues with the new engine. Will they
be as bad as the 6.0-L fiasco or just minor issues needing tweaking?
Time will tell after Ford gets thousands of these 6.4-L PSDs out on the road
under all kinds of driving conditions. And, obviously, its gonna be a new
learning curve for the service techs... It will be interesting to see how
much of the 6.0-L knowledge base applies to the 6.4-L.
--Old_Dog
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On the positive side, the fuel system has been greatly simplified. Common rail is 4th grader material compared to HEUI, HPOP's, etc.
We all know the 6.4L HAS been tested in all kinds of conditions because of all the proven sightings.
Guys, I think in the end, we're all going to agree one day that MOST of the 6L problems were 70% created by the injectors that were used in them and 30% turbo related. Those systems have been changed.
Nobody knows better than Ford what plagued the 6L and what's at stake. One more big blunder and Ford is history in diesel trucks.
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I think most of the problems with the 6.0 has to do with aftermarket Programs. I know 20 (6 in the family alone) people with stock 6.0s that have never had a problem with thiers. I know of 3 that have had programmers and they all have had problems.
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Re: Hmmm, I'm wondering what ford did to make this 6.4 NOT another 6.0 blunder
Wow that was a very nice reply. I too am anti-union, but a little less vocal.
Back to the post. As soon as I heard high pressure common fuel rail, instead of HEUI dumbass things my truck has, I said tell me no more that's good enough. I love the truck, the engine is strong and I think tough, but the fuel delivery systems was a bad idea from the get-go.
Rectum that's why they abandoned it.
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Re: Hmmm, I'm wondering what ford did to make this 6.4 NOT another 6.0 blunder
Interesting since after it's introduction, the HEUI system won engineering awards.
The vendors supplying International and Ford are the ones who should be carrying most of the blame.
But that's what happens when the lowest bidder gets the contract.
There was significant field testing done with the 6.0, but after the vendors went into full production the quality was dropped to meet volume demands.
The same system is still being used in larger diesel engines without anywhere near the amount of failures.
Hopefully they've learned their lesson.
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Interesting since after it's introduction, the HEUI system won engineering awards.
The vendors supplying International and Ford are the ones who should be carrying most of the blame.
But that's what happens when the lowest bidder gets the contract.
There was significant field testing done with the 6.0, but after the vendors went into full production the quality was dropped to meet volume demands.
The same system is still being used in larger diesel engines without anywhere near the amount of failures.
Hopefully they've learned their lesson.
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CAT supplied international with the HEUI injectors for the 7.3, not sure if they were exlusively supplied from Pontiac, IL, but the contract expired and International didn't re-up the contract for the 6.0L injectors.. They were from a different supplier....
That could be some of the potential 6.0L injector issues...
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Guys, I think in the end, we're all going to agree one day that MOST of the 6L problems were 70% created by the injectors that were used in them and 30% turbo related. Those systems have been changed.
Nobody knows better than Ford what plagued the 6L and what's at stake. One more big blunder and Ford is history in diesel trucks.
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I think most of the problems with the 6.0 has to do with aftermarket Programs. I know 20 (6 in the family alone) people with stock 6.0s that have never had a problem with thiers. I know of 3 that have had programmers and they all have had problems.
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NOT!
If you call the flash after reflash to to neuter the thing to fix problems (EPA) that should have been found before (I Owned one),after market I guess you'd be right.
Ford now owns my POS 6.0!
Glad some got good one's I was'nt so lucky.
Happy w/my 03 7.3, only thing back to the dealer for was a broken rear window latch, nuff said.
James
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They certainly seem to be aware of some of the major things that went wrong last time, both with the engine and with their handling of the launch, and claim to be addressing all that this time around. I'm willing to give them the beneift of the doubt, but the next 6 months or so will definitely tell the tale.
Duncan
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