6.4L Power Stroke Engine and DrivetrainDiscussion of the 6.4L Power Stroke diesel engine and drivetrain in the 2008-Up Super Duty trucks. No gas engine discussion allowed except on transmissions and drivetrain that pertain to all models. Please confine discussion of topics in this forum to those items that are specific to the 6.4L Power Stroke engine.
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Lets see! Hmmm. A C7 with the headgasket problems, oil leaks that come with it. Plus a premium that Cat charges for the yellow paint and decals. Would an additional $7,500 be enough to charge extra? I have dealt with the predecessors (3116 and 3126). The C7 is just another piece of garbage with another badge
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I believe I will give an AMEN to the above statement. NOW, if your going to take the motor in an inline direction then you couldn't give me anything other than A DT 466/570 international. same vendor better motor.
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00'F350 psd CC Drw 2wd Bright Amber Western Hauler, exhaust brake transfer flow 50 gal tank tool, 30K Cody goose neck hitch, hawk pads, cryo'ed rotors, stainless lines, 380,000 miles
02' Psd Excursion Limited ultimate Estate Green 7.3L Auto 2x4 hellwig swaybars and rancho 9000's. 381,000 miles.
1993 F-superduty (F-450) 7.3L Gutless non turbo 2x4 Auto, Tire eating S.O.B. 12,750lbs 80,000miles lincoln Vantage 500 Duetz bolted in the back.
1994 7.3 I.D.I.T. factory turbo, auto 2x4 DRW with lots of upgrades, 11 transmissions under 100K factory warranty. 280,000 miles Currently Cavitated and parked.
96 F-800 24'flat 5.9L cummins, 4spd allison juice brakes.
89 F-800 6.6L 5+2 27,00lbs light weight with National 556A crane behind the cab.
2006 T800 KW 550 C-15 18spd 22K front, 52K rears murray ramps, 195" W.B. CA spec heavy haul SOLD
2006 Murray 16 tire professional lowbed SOLD
1996 fetherlite 4 horse GN, Walton 18' 14K tag tilt equipment trailer.
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Ok... To clarify a few things for the noobs.
The 7.3 is history IH doesen't produce them anymore. check their site internationaldelivers.com
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Funny how they still build them in Brazil and sell brand spanking new 7.3 SD trucks in Australia.
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Yup, But were not special enough to get them here...............
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95 F350 CC PSD 5SPD Gear Vendors O/D 4x4
92 Explorer Eddie Bauer
05 Expedition 4x4 5.4 3 valve.
Former trucks:
2003 F250 CC 4x4 6.0 HEADACHE! Traded before it blew!
89 F250 2wd 7.3 5spd with 256K when sold
94 F250 4X4 IDI Turbo 7.3 5 spd 160K when sold
95 F250 S/C 4x4 PSD 5 spd with 146K when sold
00 F250 C/C 4X4 PSD 6 Spd with 126K when sold (180K now)
I think any turbo from banks or someone would be better than the one on the 6.0. Countless members have blown turbos. I just want to go on the record and say that International had better get the sh*t together on this one or else Ford WILL be looking for another diesel engine supplier when the contract is up in '10.
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1969 Ford F-250 Camper Special 360 V8 4 speed
1998 Ford Explorer XLT 4X4 4.0L V6 124K
Stock. Daily Driver
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I think any turbo from banks or someone would be better than the one on the 6.0. Countless members have blown turbos. I just want to go on the record and say that International had better get the sh*t together on this one or else Ford WILL be looking for another diesel engine supplier when the contract is up in '10.
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Countless members dont' count for much, maybe 1% of 1% of the trucks sold with the 6.0.
Why does everyone argue about who owns whos? Hasn't everyone figured out by now everyone owns everyone? Your going to get what they want to give you. Its just like the federal goverment, no one knows how it REALLY works. For years, GM used to manufacture all of it's seat belt parts and buckle here in Trenton at the GM Inland Fisher Guide Plant. My dad was the tool maker working on the dies for the ones that went into the Fords. Turns out GM was better at making them so Ford bought them from GM. Same as Delphi radios in ford. Who cares... unless you own stock. I would spend the money to have a Cat motor in my truck anyday, even if it was 10gs. My bro is a cat mechanic and he loves their motors, nothing comes back to the shop with problems.
To my knowlege the big chiefs at all mfg's do not listen to cosumer ideas/requests, otherwise you could get any engine-trans-suspension-color combo that you wanted and "only" have to pay 70 g's for it, wich I would do in an instant if I could
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'06 F250 AFE STG2, SCT XCAL 2... MORE TO COME
'02 F350 CC SWB - STOLEN
'99 F350 EXT SWB - SOLD
'79 F250 - BEST ONE YET
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Ok... To clarify a few things for the noobs.
The 7.3 is history IH doesen't produce them anymore. check their site internationaldelivers.com
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Funny how they still build them in Brazil and sell brand spanking new 7.3 SD trucks in Australia.
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No more 7.3 for the Aussies. The only engine now available down under for the SD's is the 5.4
This according to ford.au's website
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Now looking at International Brazil's site. It is showing one of the applications of the 7.3 to include the Excursion (now deceased) So the site might not be up to date. So perhaps the 7.3 is officialy dead.
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2005 F-350 C/C 6.0 4X4
1998 F-150 S/C 4.6 4X4 Pics of my rig
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I know a guy who knows a guy that used to work at Ford. He says that he heard from one of his very well connected friends over in Drive Train R&D that Ford is scrapping the whole 6.4 project and bring back an updated 7.3 to meet current emisions standards. Also, they are working with the guys over at Banks to get the turbo set up correct
this was a VERY firm source.
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HAHAHA, that is funny!
The 6.4 is for real, the old 7.3 won't be back.
7.3 is OLD TECH, why go back to it? [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shrug.gif[/img]
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I guess sarcasm is lost on this crew [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif[/img]
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2004 F350 Crew XLT 4x4 long box, SRW, 3.73 Gears
Bone Stock
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I know a guy who knows a guy that used to work at Ford. He says that he heard from one of his very well connected friends over in Drive Train R&D that Ford is scrapping the whole 6.4 project and bring back an updated 7.3 to meet current emisions standards. Also, they are working with the guys over at Banks to get the turbo set up correct
this was a VERY firm source.
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Very nicely done. Bravo. You are a master. But, remember there are daily and possesion limits and you apparently have already hooked more than your share. Amazing they all bit. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]
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2007 F350 Lariat CC, Power Stroke, A/T, SRW 172", Scarlet & Gray, Captain's Chairs, Power Moonroof and Sliding Rear Window, Tow Command, Upfitters, Roof Clearance Lights, Sirius Satellite Radio, Line-X Spray Liner, B&W Turnover Ball Gooseneck
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First of all, the particulate trap shouldn't be creating so much back pressure that it causes a rise in exhaust gas temperatures (because it would hurt mileage and emission if it did that).
Second, the engines could use an electronic back down feature (for fuel delivery) if EGT's get out of control.
Third, they could use a water injection system and tout it to the public as a performance and emissions upgrade.
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If these problems are true, and I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if they are, the problems are probably caused by the regeneration of the filter. In order to clean out a DPF, you have to heat the DPF to a certain temperature for a certain amount of time. There are currently only a couple of ways to do this that I am aware of and have experience with.
1. Electric heating element that raises DPF inlet temps high enough. Not aware of anyone going down this route.
2. Create heat at the cylinders themselves, which means the heat has to go through the turbo turbine. Alot of manufactures are going this route.
3. Add an additional fuel-burner downstream of the turbo before the DPF. Works independent of cylinder temps.
I would bet $1M that Navistar is using option 2, and that it could very well be melting turbos.
Actually John Deere has just signed a contract with Ford to produce a small diesel engine for the F150 in 2009. They have also announced that in 2010 they will produce a "John Deere" green F250 with a John Deere engine. The truck will come with John Deere yellow wheels and a John Deere tranny.. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/warmsmile.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/warmsmile.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/warmsmile.gif[/img]
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Actually John Deere has just signed a contract with Ford to produce a small diesel engine for the F150 in 2009. They have also announced that in 2010 they will produce a "John Deere" green F250 with a John Deere engine. The truck will come with John Deere yellow wheels and a John Deere tranny.. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/warmsmile.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/warmsmile.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/warmsmile.gif[/img]
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Hope it's the 16F/4R PowerShift although the IVT might be fun. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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2007 F350 Lariat CC, Power Stroke, A/T, SRW 172", Scarlet & Gray, Captain's Chairs, Power Moonroof and Sliding Rear Window, Tow Command, Upfitters, Roof Clearance Lights, Sirius Satellite Radio, Line-X Spray Liner, B&W Turnover Ball Gooseneck
If Ford wanted to really up the stakes in the 3/4-1.5 ton market they could start offering engine trans combo's like cats and cummins with 6 speed ally's trans as options. Just like the do in the F650-F750 class.
Example
6.4 L Navstar w/ 5 speed auto ford trans $5000.00
??? Cat w/ 6 speed auto alley trans $8000.00
??? Cummins w/ 6 speed auto alley trans $ 6900.00
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I believe that the addition of the Allison would eat up most of the $8,000 and then you would still have the additional cost of the yellow
"boat anchor". would be cost prohibitive.
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2005 F-250 Torque shift, Hypermax programmer and 5" exhaust 140,000 almost trouble free miles
Ford could make their own diesel engine and mate it to their own 6 speed auto transmission. We already learned from the Torqueshift that Ford can design a decent transmission. The large majority of buyers don't know that the Powerstroke is made by International. It's nice to say you have all this name brand stuff under the hood, but I don't want to pay $10,000 extra for it....especially if I can have something that works for me for $4500 less.
Either way, it's all speculation from our part. Don't forget - the next engine/transmission combo is already in out running in the test mules. It's just a matter of when Ford tells us what the next engine really is.
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