6.4L Power Stroke Engine and DrivetrainDiscussion of the 6.4L Power Stroke diesel engine and drivetrain in the 2008 Super-Duty trucks. No gas engine discussion allowed except on transmissions and drivetrain that pertain to all models. Please confine discussion of topics in this forum to those items that are specific to the 6.4L Power Stroke engine.
I guess I took a chance when I bought the 03, 6.0. Turned out to be a great truck with few minor problems. Took another chance with the 6.4. So far it has been great, although it uses a little more fuel than the 6.0 (only during regen). I sure do like the ford truck though, much better than Chevy or Dodge. As someone else said, you can get a lemon in any brand. Just happens my lemons have been chevys. Never owned a dodge.
I think Ford has been around the block or two and probably knows more than we do at this point. They own/are associated with more than one company that knows diesel engines. Also, the reason the ford application breaks more than the IH application is that IH decided they were only going to design the motor to handle the little hp that they set them at, rather than allowing them to handle the high outputs that ford has to put out to compete with GM/Dodge.
IH tunes the motors for torque. Period. If what you suggest were true, Ford would be very remiss in using the engines at all. But your right, with all they know and all they own / are involved in, the next engine is guaranteed to be a winner.
I'm not saying it's going to be the best, i'm just saying they're not clueless. IIRC, they used to make a 7.6ish size I6 for the F-800 and other various motors. They have Volvo, they have Range Rover. Sure they don't produce big truck size motors yet, but I'm sure they can.
Personally, I wish Ford could finally settle on a diesel engine and stick with it...after all, the other manufacturers have. My '03 is (and has been) a fantastic truck and I consider myself fortunate to have found it new on the lot and purchased it.
Ford wishes it could settle on one diesel engine. The 7.3 died because of stricter emissions, as did the 6.0. Now to meet emissions they have the 6.4, but due to problems with IH they must once again move on.
If emissions would allow it Ford would still be using the 7.3
Ford wishes it could settle on one diesel engine. The 7.3 died because of stricter emissions, as did the 6.0. Now to meet emissions they have the 6.4, but due to problems with IH they must once again move on.
If emissions would allow it Ford would still be using the 7.3
Couldn't have said it better.
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Never argue with an idiot. They will bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.
I love my '08 and who cares what's down the road ~3 years from now. I needed a truck, I bought the current best, end of story. You'll find that most of these same people will talk about "beta testing" 3 years from now.
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2008 Job 2 F-350 4x4 Crew Cab SWB dually
Lariat with the chrome package.
Ford has built many diesel motors in the past, From there tractors to there big trucks when they were around. I beleve they will build a good one. Mine will be due for replacement around that time and if there out i wont hessitate to buy one.
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Dad has a 2004 6.0L all stock.
1960 CJ5 all stock
1987 F-250 XLT lariet 6.9L [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img] 3.55 limited slip, 4 speed, auto meter pyro, Napa water temp and oil pressure, 344,460KM on her. Injector pump rebiult at 255,000 KM Here are some pics of her
Let's wait and see if the Scorpion has improved engineering in areas like more headbolts per cylinder and possibly better packaging for service. My guess is these issues will be addressed as they have had impact on profit on the trucks given aftersale costs (warranty and owner confidence/repurchase rate). Easier to service does relate to warranty costs and owner happiness.
Higher MPG and REAL GAUGES would be icing on the cake!
There is no stands totally above the competition truck in the market. My opinion is Ford builds trucks that suit me and make me feel good when driving and more importantly, towing. The others do not fail miserably at these tasks but they do the tasks less pleasingly TO ME. In spite of all the bad press/commentary on 6.0's, Ford trucks rule in the oil patch and in construction business. I am seeing companies en masse that have had 6.0's now buying 08's with 6.4. I do not think they would do this if the cost of ownership and usefulness of the truck was not good and if they were totally displeased with their experience with 6.0's
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2006 F450 CC Hauler bed 4x2 6.0 L Pstroke/Torqshift, Lariat, 4.88 r/a.
2006 F350 Lariat CC Dually 4X2, 6.0 TQShift 4.10 LS, STOCK.
36 feet on the floor Elite/Outlaw LQ horse trailer. Sooner 6 horse large dressing/ mid tack.
15 horses with good balance from being hauled behind a P'stroke.
take a look at the HP/Torque ratings for the IH versions of the Ford Powerstrokes, where they are used etc. Then look at the same engine sold as a Powerstroke by Ford. Then the reliability of the IH version versus the Ford.
Ford is in this mode of "we have to have more" so they tune their own electronics to run much higher HP ratings. Ad to that they do a lousing job on aerodynamics (check your mpg at 55 versus 75 on the interstate) and don't ventilate under the hood to cool everything and you have what you have.
A bunch of us at the 04 PSD Rally spent 2 hours explaining a lot of this to the SD Marketing Manager and I suspect others have in subsequent years.
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