6.4L Power Stroke Engine and DrivetrainDiscussion of the 6.4L Power Stroke diesel engine and drivetrain in the 2008 Super-Duty trucks. No gas engine discussion allowed except on transmissions and drivetrain that pertain to all models. Please confine discussion of topics in this forum to those items that are specific to the 6.4L Power Stroke engine.
I say put a CAT in the Ford and there will be no complaints and your getting the best engine out there. It's less work for Ford and I think you'll see some Duramax/ Cummins guys coming to our side. It just sounds so good, a CAT powered Superduty.
I second that, and I've brought that up in the past but was told that the fuel induction system would need to be changed and the motors are unbelievably heavy, I've read that they are far too heavy for GM's IFS front. Imagine how many times we'd be replacing bearings and ball joints with a motor that heavy. I'm sure CAT can develop an engine that would work though.
Can anyone tell me why International is introducing an all new Semi truck and it doesn't come with an International engine? It is only available with a CAT or a cummins. It's a sweet looking rig but I thought International would want to put their own engines under the hood since they are such great engine designers. Do they not have an engine for that class? I don't know much about the big dogs, just asking.
International's MaxxForce 13 tops out at 475 hp, which isn't going to be enough for a lot of guys. I guess it was just easier for them to offer Cummins and CAT which cover the full power range.
Isn't that the equivelant of Ford putting a chevy engine in it's all new truck because theirs isn't powerfull enough or is the big rig market not like that? It just seems odd to me.
It's probably a lot cheaper for them to just offer whats out instead of doing the R&D for a new engine. Going with Cummins and CAT probably helps their market share because most people like one of the two. If they have a new engine, a lot of people won't trust it until it gets some miles on it.
I heard that Cat is having a tough time meeting the new emission requirements coming into effect in 2010 and that their is a possibility they might stop producing engines for on highway use vehicles and stick to heavy earthmoving equipment. Don't know if it is true I heard it from a mechanic so take it for what you think it is worth.
I heard that Cat is having a tough time meeting the new emission requirements coming into effect in 2010 and that their is a possibility they might stop producing engines for on highway use vehicles and stick to heavy earthmoving equipment. Don't know if it is true I heard it from a mechanic so take it for what you think it is worth.
AND GUESS WHO CAT is partnering with????? Navistar/International.... CAT & IH/Navistar worked together on HEUI and now on-road diesel truck engines. Ford didn't do the durability testing on the 6.4...NAVISTAR did....for about three years in Melrose Park, IL.....16-18 hrs per day 5-6 sometimes 7 days a week. CAT wants NOTHING to do with on-road engines after 2009. Pickup, medium duty, or heavy-duty class 7&8....
The largest reason International puts CAT & Cummins engines in their trucks is that is what the customers want. Back in the 1970's Allis-Chalmers made a HUGE displacement truck engine.....was large for the day, 375-400 HP..... Imagine trying to find someone to work on an engine and get parts that only had ONE PERCENT of the market for 3-4 years.
I really hope FMC knows what they're doing.....going from one of the top three diesel engine manufacturing companies in the US to one not even in the top five. Making a 2.0L car engine for the European market is a LOT different than making a pickup engine to tow that 20,000# RV trailer.... Just as a 30,000# straight truck gets run differently with a 6.0L VT-365 International engine than most of You run Your PSD's. Most of the straightrucks I pass on the interstate are run wide open for several hours several times per day. So with redlines @ 3500 RPM, 350 HP, and only 14-15 quarts of oil and 25-30 quarts of coolant a pickup PSD would last maybe a MONTH in a medium duty truck environment. That's why IH detunes them to 200-250 HP & 2600 RPM, with 20 quarts of oil & 35-40 quarts of coolant so that they last 100,000 to 200,000 miles.
The comment about diesels getting better is so totally TRUE.....thirty years ago it took 855-900 cid to make 320-350 HP in a diesel with 100% duty cycle for truck use. Now International makes that much HP with DT-466E's & DT-570E's....half the displacement, better fuel MPG, lower emmisions.... Just watch what the next 10-20 years brings!
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'96 F-250 Reg. Cab 4X4 5-sp POWERSTROKE
294,000 mi & NO Problems, LUK Clutch, and the Cat is buried in the back yard!
AND GUESS WHO CAT is partnering with????? Navistar/International.... CAT & IH/Navistar worked together on HEUI and now on-road diesel truck engines. Ford didn't do the durability testing on the 6.4...NAVISTAR did....for about three years in Melrose Park, IL.....16-18 hrs per day 5-6 sometimes 7 days a week. CAT wants NOTHING to do with on-road engines after 2009. Pickup, medium duty, or heavy-duty class 7&8....
The largest reason International puts CAT & Cummins engines in their trucks is that is what the customers want. Back in the 1970's Allis-Chalmers made a HUGE displacement truck engine.....was large for the day, 375-400 HP..... Imagine trying to find someone to work on an engine and get parts that only had ONE PERCENT of the market for 3-4 years.
I really hope FMC knows what they're doing.....going from one of the top three diesel engine manufacturing companies in the US to one not even in the top five. Making a 2.0L car engine for the European market is a LOT different than making a pickup engine to tow that 20,000# RV trailer.... Just as a 30,000# straight truck gets run differently with a 6.0L VT-365 International engine than most of You run Your PSD's. Most of the straightrucks I pass on the interstate are run wide open for several hours several times per day. So with redlines @ 3500 RPM, 350 HP, and only 14-15 quarts of oil and 25-30 quarts of coolant a pickup PSD would last maybe a MONTH in a medium duty truck environment. That's why IH detunes them to 200-250 HP & 2600 RPM, with 20 quarts of oil & 35-40 quarts of coolant so that they last 100,000 to 200,000 miles.
The comment about diesels getting better is so totally TRUE.....thirty years ago it took 855-900 cid to make 320-350 HP in a diesel with 100% duty cycle for truck use. Now International makes that much HP with DT-466E's & DT-570E's....half the displacement, better fuel MPG, lower emmisions.... Just watch what the next 10-20 years brings!
What is also funny is how International bought out GM's 4500-8500 medium duty lineup of trucks. Everyone keeps going into and out of deals and relationships with their own competitors. I can't wait to see the future of cars and trucks just to see who is still in the game and who goes belly up.
Ford didn't do the durability testing on the 6.4...NAVISTAR did....for about three years in Melrose Park, IL.....16-18 hrs per day 5-6 sometimes 7 days a week.
Try 24/7.
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Originally Posted by Dr.Evil
CAT wants NOTHING to do with on-road engines after 2009. Pickup, medium duty, or heavy-duty class 7&8....
I think I will keep my 7.3 with 55k on it.
I have a friend that has a 6.4 and my 7.3
pulls much better with my current set-up.
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I think I will keep my 7.3 with 55k on it.
I have a friend that has a 6.4 and my 7.3
pulls much better with my current set-up.
I hear folks say this all the time....and I just dont understand it.
I have had previous 7.3's....and I currently own one...all chipped...etc...yeah they are great engines...can run on whatever you put in the tank, get good mileage, and tow ok....BUT
They will not hold a candle to my 08 6.4
Now I am not talking a BUILT all aftermarket 7.3....I am talking a chipped, exhaust, intake..etc 7.3 vs my tuned 6.4 They are not even close...sorry but its the truth.
Am I getting rid of the Excursion I own that has a 7.3? NO..Why? Cause its a good truck and I can run it for almost free on 100% bio
Guy that My Son knew @ Melrose doing some of the testing only worked 5 days a week.... But the testing was REALLY sever!
International's joint venture with MANN should make them a competitor in the large displacement markets.
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Denny
'96 F-250 Reg. Cab 4X4 5-sp POWERSTROKE
294,000 mi & NO Problems, LUK Clutch, and the Cat is buried in the back yard!
1997 F350 4door 2wd long bed white 7.3L Powerstroke, E4OD, C5 4:10LS diff 326K miles on org engine
; 6.0 COOLER 
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