6.4L Power Stroke Engine and DrivetrainDiscussion of the 6.4L Power Stroke diesel engine and drivetrain in the 2008 Super-Duty trucks. No gas engine discussion allowed except on transmissions and drivetrain that pertain to all models. Please confine discussion of topics in this forum to those items that are specific to the 6.4L Power Stroke engine.
First off let me confess. It's been some time since I've visisted the site as I was as close as a guy can get to dumping Ford completely. An 06' Dodge was in my future until the dealer fell through. Needless to say when I made the "mistake" of taking an 08' F350 out for a test drive I was sold.
So, I apologize up front for the length of this post. My situation: Just bought a new toy hauler and knew before hand that the weight ratings of my 03' just wouldn't cut it. Fed up with Ford I looked at Dodge and knew I would need a dually. Pin weight of the new rig I'm guessing will be around 3500 - 4000 lbs.
The truck is my daily driver and will pull the trailer a dozen times a year. I know that a dually is much better for stability but convenience must come in to play as well. I've looked at the weight ratings of the 350 SRW and they will be close but I believe managable.
So ... on to the questions. Can anyone tell me what the actual dry weight of the SRW is? Is anyone pulling a comparable payload with it? I've done the math with the sticker weights and would be potentially 300lbs over estimating a loaded weight of 8000lbs for the truck. I just can't confirm that without weighing the truck myself.
Next, does anyone know what the average invoice price on this truck is? My dealer has told me he can do $1000 over invoice but that means nothing if I don't know what that invoice is.
I really hate to dump these questions on you but I've run out of time. I had no idea when I woke up this morning that I would be buying a trailer today [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img]
Thanks a lot guys.
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2003 350 Lariat FX4 Short Box 6.0L *SOLD*
2008 FX4 F350 6.4L Dually Long Box, Black on Black PICTURES
2007 Keystone Raptor 3712TS PICTURES
out the door KR 350 58280.00 tow a 28 warrior 13000 loaded tows great would no have any thing else
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1999 CC F-250 Lariet FX4 Amber Loaded with all Options LB
2004 SC F-250 XL White tow package
2005 CC F-250 King Ranch Dark Copper FX4 Loaded with all Options SB
2008 F-350 King Ranch Blue Pearl loaded
Not sure if I'm perfectly clear on your weight rating question as you seem to have answered the question yourself. All of our trucks will have a different weights as the options affect the final weight of the truck. A plus/minus 300 could be the difference between the wife in the truck or not [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/vulnerable.gif[/img]
If you get stopped here in Alberta on a weight check, they use the individual wheel scales so total GVWR with a 4000 pin weight will be over the sticker on your door if you choose the F350 4x4 SRW. You would be under GCWR. I would not worry about it though as they usually give some lattitude in a case like this. I pull a 11,000# fifth with a 2500 pin weight.
Regarding price - my calculations with options that I am interested in works out MSRP is about 10% over dealer invoice. Not that you would ever get a dealer to sell at that price. I think there are higher margins on options so 7-8% uptick on MSRP over invoice may be more realistic on a lower optioned truck. On high demand vehicles, my experience is a dealer won't go lower than 2-3% over invoice. Any one else have comments?
Take care
Brian
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2005 6.0 Crew 4x4 King Ranch Short Box - Sold
2008 6.4 Crew 4x4 King Ranch Short Box - On order
Bunch of other cars and trucks
Sorry about the lack of clearity there. Just so much I'd like to ask.
As far as weights go, I'm basing things on a loaded truck weight of 8000lbs. This is the X factor as I don't truely know what it weights. With an advertised pin weight of 3000lbs, I would be under gross by 200lbs. However, I can see that advertised weight being wrong.
I guess I'm wondering if 200 - 500 lbs over the trucks GVW would be enough to warrant moving to a dually.
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2003 350 Lariat FX4 Short Box 6.0L *SOLD*
2008 FX4 F350 6.4L Dually Long Box, Black on Black PICTURES
2007 Keystone Raptor 3712TS PICTURES
Well, no, I'm not sure I want to jump into the emissions game but am stuck. The problem with going Dodge is I would be forced to buy dually. The numbers on the SRW are quite low. Next, this puchase was not timed very well. I did not think I would be trading up so soon. Having said that, whatever I buy will have to last some time .. as in 10 years. Now I know the 5.9 is a great, proven engine but have heard not so great things about the longevity of the rest of the truck.
I am 100% confused and nowhere near a decision. I'm not so much concered about aftermarket installs or finding fuel (Canada has had the new diesel mandatory for some time now). If the engine is solid, that's good enough for me. As far as the rest of the Ford goes, wow, solid truck.
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2003 350 Lariat FX4 Short Box 6.0L *SOLD*
2008 FX4 F350 6.4L Dually Long Box, Black on Black PICTURES
2007 Keystone Raptor 3712TS PICTURES
This has nothing to do technically, just my own personal observance from many years. Avoid first year runs of any new model change... Too many TSBs, warranty work, problems. Obviously people do buy them and have to or the kinks wouldn't get worked out. But I am one of those guys that would rather wait and get a product that is refined than the first runs. Good luck though either way!
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I've owned an '04 F250 w/a PSD and have owned my '06 Ram 2500 w/a CTD for 6 months now. The stuff that people say about Dodge falling apart, not built well, etc. is bunk. Bottom line is all three make good trucks and don't believe in the old wive's tales that are out there. Best of luck to you on whatever you purchase.
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Never argue with an idiot. They will bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.
While I'm sure the Dodge is a fine truck, they are lacking in GVWR and GAWR with their SRW pickups. The 3500 SRW is right on par with a properly equiped F250, and in some cases a little under an F250. I could have got a smoking good deal on a Dodge truck, and I considered it, but I chose an F350 SRW because of the 11,500 GVWR which is 1600lbs more than a 3500 SRW.
Anyway, back to the question. 1000 over invoice is a little much...look for invoice or under. That 10% off MSRP rule for invoice is very close.
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I've owned an '04 F250 w/a PSD and have owned my '06 Ram 2500 w/a CTD for 6 months now. The stuff that people say about Dodge falling apart, not built well, etc. is bunk. Bottom line is all three make good trucks and don't believe in the old wive's tales that are out there. Best of luck to you on whatever you purchase.
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“Dodge is a good motor in a junky truck”….Yes, it’s amazing how old wives’ tales linger on. I remember the 70’s and 80’s when Honda, Nissan/Datsun and Toyota were considered tinny junk and look where they are today. I’ve owned 2 Ford diesels, one GMC and now a Dodge. They all had their plusses and minuses but none were “junk”.
Before I bought my last truck I lurked on the Dodge and GM forums for about 6 months and my observation was that the Dodge and GM trucks had fewer problems than the Ford, especially under the hood when you compare the Cummins & Dmax to the 6.0. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shrug.gif[/img]
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'68 F250 C/S 4X2 C6/428PI
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In theory, practice and theory are the same.
In practice, they are not.
I beleive that any dealer who says "you're getting it under my invoice" is either lying or has other incentives coming to the dealership with hidden dealer rebates, sales volume $$ returns from Ford, etc. I know of no business man, dealer or otherwise who would sell something for less than they pay for it - and still be in business and be able to pay all of their dealership overhead, etc.
You will never pay less than the dealer is out of pocket. And anyone of us who thinks we should pay less than what it costs to deliver/sell/warranty the truck should not complain when the dealership/Ford go broke and are not around to service our needs.
It is a business deal - we just need to make sure we are getting the best deal we can without pissing anyone off.
Take care,
Brian
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2005 6.0 Crew 4x4 King Ranch Short Box - Sold
2008 6.4 Crew 4x4 King Ranch Short Box - On order
Bunch of other cars and trucks
“Dodge is a good motor in a junky truck”….Yes, it’s amazing how old wives’ tales linger on. I remember the 70’s and 80’s when Honda, Nissan/Datsun and Toyota were considered tinny junk and look where they are today. I’ve owned 2 Ford diesels, one GMC and now a Dodge. They all had their plusses and minuses but none were “junk”.
Before I bought my last truck I lurked on the Dodge and GM forums for about 6 months and my observation was that the Dodge and GM trucks had fewer problems than the Ford, especially under the hood when you compare the Cummins & Dmax to the 6.0. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shrug.gif[/img]
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Great motor...not junky truck...but just not as stout as a ford.
GM trucks are weak all the way around. They put a suspension that isn't really built to do anything but drive to Star Bucks or the mall.
No I'll take my fords. But the Dodge isn't a bad truck either. MY .02 [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]
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