New 6.4, I have questions - Diesel Forum

3skidoos · 02-14-2008, 10:50 AM

I'm looking to trade in my 04 6.0 due to numerous brake downs, basically the turbo boot blowing off while towing. I'm a little concerned after reading some issues here about the new diesel. The radiator problems, the regen process and the PDF. Are these issues Ford is working on? Any inputs would help.
thanks

Stymie · 02-14-2008, 10:56 AM

the dpf on these isnt an issue. One guy has had a problem with his radiator since ford corrected the problem, and there is nothing to fix about the regen. Its not a greta process, but it does work.

3skidoos · 02-14-2008, 11:03 AM

Stymie, I'm brand new to this engine. I'm trying to find out all the good and bad. After breaking down 3 times while towing a 38 5er, I want to try and find the best out there. Sorry for not being more knowledgable about this. I'm trying.
thanks

dricha7590 · 02-14-2008, 11:29 AM

The dpf is an issue; there are several problems with the 6.4 radiators/turbos, they are now working on new flash regen process. I have an 08\6.4 bought 5\07 it has 101,873 miles on it . fuel runing out of tail pipe. Ford said to drive it,there is no fix for it now . I do know about the 6.0/6.4. Dave
ps. can you back up what you say . no problems/

Samuel1941 · 02-14-2008, 11:39 AM

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I'm looking to trade in my 04 6.0 due to numerous brake downs, basically the turbo boot blowing off while towing.

More than likely, there is nothing wrong with your current truck. If the same problems keep occurring, the problem is your technician/mechanic!!

Unfortunately, you have not listed a signature, so we don't know what modifications (if any) you have. Perhaps a modification is causing your problem...like too much boost.

As the engines get more complicated, it is more and more difficult to find a competent person to work on them!!!

I you buy a new 6.4L and continue to take it the same person/shop that works on your current truck, you may have similar complaints about the new truck.

For example, if a turbo boot blows off and is fixed properly...it should never blow off again!! If it does blow off again, it's not the engine's problem...it just wasn't fixed right!!!!!!!!!

ddduallyfan · 02-14-2008, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by 3skidoos

I'm looking to trade in my 04 6.0 due to numerous brake downs, basically the turbo boot blowing off while towing. I'm a little concerned after reading some issues here about the new diesel. The radiator problems, the regen process and the PDF. Are these issues Ford is working on? Any inputs would help.
thanks

04 was a pretty good year for the 6.0 The boot issue can be easily be solved by removing / cleaning / sanding / high-tacking the fittings. I'm entertaining the thought of a 6.4, but there seems to be some issues that need to be resolved before I would feel confident. Good luck with whatever you decide.

dricha7590 · 02-14-2008, 12:20 PM

Samuel1941: Sir; I had this truck worked on at several different dealers. 3 different shops in the last 2 weeks. If any one has an answer I will listen. I run east to west every week. I tow about 4000 lb. If you are a Ford dealer and say you can fix this truck I will bring it to you. I have no modifications at all this is how I brought the truck from dealer.TURBO PROB. GASKET BETWEEN TURBO. I WILL BE GLAD TO PRODUCE a VIN#. Dave

newbie_101 · 02-14-2008, 12:20 PM

I pull a 40ft 17k pound 5'er every weekend during the summer with no problems. Well, almost no problems. Truck was purchased 05/07'. The only work done was a DPF replaced due to sooty tailpipe. Truck still ran great and with only 17k Km on it, it's already better than my 03' was.

rlchv70 · 02-14-2008, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by dricha7590

The dpf is an issue; there are several problems with the 6.4 radiators/turbos, they are now working on new flash regen process. I have an 08\6.4 bought 5\07 it has 101,873 miles on it . fuel runing out of tail pipe. Ford said to drive it,there is no fix for it now . I do know about the 6.0/6.4. Dave
ps. can you back up what you say . no problems/

If you really have fuel out the tail pipe, then you shouldn't be driving it.

FYI - warranty numbers on 6.4 are supposedly pretty good.

3skidoos · 02-14-2008, 12:50 PM

The truck is all stock, and in 04, the 6.0 was rated to tow a 12,500 5er. My present trailer weighs in around 13,000. But the confusion is the 07's with the 6.0, same gears, tow 15,700. So I've tried to find answers but with all the mods to the engines over the years, it must have brought up the towing capacity.

Whe we head south every April, the thought of having the tube blow off while in the Chesepeake Bridge tunnel, scares the living Sh!t out of myeself and my wife. Just want a good solid TV.

The mechanic is very good, I think. The dealer said he's the only one in the area that Ford sends him to the Banks System to install the banks on trucks. Like I said, my truck is all stock.

Stymie · 02-14-2008, 02:01 PM

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The dpf is an issue; there are several problems with the 6.4 radiators/turbos, they are now working on new flash regen process. I have an 08\6.4 bought 5\07 it has 101,873 miles on it . fuel runing out of tail pipe. Ford said to drive it,there is no fix for it now . I do know about the 6.0/6.4. Dave
ps. can you back up what you say . no problems/

other than a few cracked DPF's, which wont stop the truck from running what DPF issues are there? THey aren't plugging up, they arent causing a lack of drivability. And those failures are few and far between.
The radiator issue was trucks built before august of 07. And its not even on all trucks. Mine was built in july and has not had 1 single radiator issue. I had a MINOR oil leak that was fixed.
I have only seen two or three turbo failures, and i;m not convinced it isnt the drivers fault on that.

The good about the 6.4, plenty of power. Runs great, quiet.
The bads, fuel mileage is subpar, especially during a re-gen.

ddduallyfan · 02-14-2008, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by dricha7590

The dpf is an issue; there are several problems with the 6.4 radiators/turbos, they are now working on new flash regen process. I have an 08\6.4 bought 5\07 it has 101,873 miles on it . fuel runing out of tail pipe. Ford said to drive it,there is no fix for it now . I do know about the 6.0/6.4. Dave
ps. can you back up what you say . no problems/

Its not going into regen mode if you got raw fuel at tailpipe. Not my business, but I'd watch the oil more than anything. It may be dumping alot of fuel into the crankcase. If Ford told you to just drive it like that then things are really worse than I thought.

newbie_101 · 02-14-2008, 03:44 PM

Dripping raw fuel out of the tailpipe? A tailpipe that reaches extreme temperatures during a regen? If that is what's happening, I'd think twice about driving it.

Samuel1941 · 02-14-2008, 04:52 PM

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The mechanic is very good, I think.

Let's talk mechanics.
I have a 2005 F350 and my daughter has a 2006 F350.
I've had warranty work done that fixed an oil leak from the turbo tube and an oil leak at the drain plug. Both issues were fixed and have not returned.

I have all my repair/warranty work done at Sunrise Ford in Fontana, CA. I drive 60 miles to get there and pass numerous Ford dealers while enroute. Sunrise Ford has 6 full time diesel mechanics, each with a helper...so that's 12 people there who only do diesel. And, they do enough diesel work that they have seen it all and know how to fix it!!

Before I found Sunrise, I had some work done at Star Ford in Glendale, CA, my local dealer. They have a "Ford Factory Trained Diesel Technician" who is quite proud of his title!!! He is pompous and ignorant. He did a simple warranty repair and screwed it up...it had to be redone!! He added green coolant to my gold coolant truck, plus he added a bottle of anticavitation additive on top of that. He told me he was doing me a favor because the green is so much better than the gold!!! That's so wrong...the system had to be flushed and new coolant added!!!!! The average customer would never know the repair was done wrong!

I will never go back to that mechanic and he is "fixing" trucks all day for other unsuspecting people who probably think he "...is very good".

My point is that it's difficult to find a competent mechanic. Once something is fixed correctly, it should not fail again...if it does, it wasn't fixed correctly (in most cases). Like your turbo tubes blowing off. The above post:

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The boot issue can be easily be solved by removing / cleaning / sanding / high-tacking the fittings.

will fix the blow off and it wouldn't do it again!!

Now, if the mechanic is lazy or ignorant, he/she will just wipe the oil off the tube, maybe put a new clamp on it, and just reinstall it. Cleaning it properly and putting a "glue" on it is the correct fix...but that takes a little longer and means he/she has to have the "glue" handy.

Brad777 · 02-14-2008, 07:37 PM

I'd like to see statistics that show how many 6.4's have been sold vs. how many have had problems and what those problems were. I personally think the 6.4 has been a success, but don't have stats to back that up. I recognize some bashing that goes on here by a couple supposed owners, but it seems the majority have few if any complaints. Personally, I'm very satisfied with mine.